Vidoes are what they are. Flashy moves. Kick you are telegraphing as always, knees are under the radar, thus setting up, and shock value.
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Vidoes are what they are. Flashy moves. Kick you are telegraphing as always, knees are under the radar, thus setting up, and shock value.
Okay, that discusses the criminal's mindset, and the approach to fighting in self-defense/self-protection vs. competition. He makes excellent points, but I don't hear him saying anywhere that the same punches, etc. used in competition won't work in defensive situations. He makes points about awareness (not a physical skill), baiting (not a physical skill), escape (some new physical skills), multiple attackers (maybe some new physical skills), the different "goal" (not a physical skill), the the differential effectiveness of flash (physical skills, though I disagree with his assertion that flashy is highly useful in competition), the difference in use of guard (physical skill, if you accept that this is different than how hands are used during close engagement in competition), dealing with trained fighters (no specific physical skills mentioned, the difference between defensive application vs. competition (only a few physical skills mentioned, and most of those can actually be useful in self-defense, though would be of less importance in that context), and why highly skilled fighters can be taken out (no mention of specific physical skills, mostly about things like awareness and surprise).
None of those points appears to exclude large swaths of physical skills/techniques from the useful repertoire. He does overstate some of the points, as we all tend to do when presenting our side. His best point, and one I've made before, is that a criminal attacker is not a lesser version of a trained fighter, but a different animal. This is one of the points I think he overstates, but I agree with it in concept. He actually says in the closing of that podcast that there are a lot of commonalities in the physical skills.
(On a side note, I couldn't find a way to subscribe to his podcast, so it would show in my Podcasts app. Grumble...)
I'm not talking about demonstration videos. I'm talking about videos of people actually using high kicks (head) to take people out. If you're talking about spinning/jumping kicks, etc., those don't get used in most sparring competition much, either.
Oh it is, loud kiais are known to win points, exaggerated moves look 'exciting' and coupled with those loud noises make it look like you are aggressive striking your opponent. It's actually quite sad.
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He's not, no one is, no one would. I don't even know where you've got this idea from.
Okay, I agree with that. I'm referring more to the harde-contact competitions. I think MMA makes the best argument in this area. Flashy isn't terribly useful there in most cases. There are a few examples where it has been surprising (like the high jumping kick off the fence), but those come back to bite people who use them, too.
Unfortunately, that link doesn't work for subscribing from the app, nor does the RSS feed at the bottom of his page. I've sent him an email - perhaps he has a solution.
That was my point in my earlier post. There's an overlap in the physical skills. Most of the physical skills used in competition have application in defensive use.
Oh but flashy is very good in MMA...for selling tickets to fanboys. It may be no good for an actual fight but promoters dearly love a flashy fighter, they divide opinion causing talk which is publicity by another name. Some will come to see the flashy fighter fail others to see what they think is a great fighter, it's a win-win for promoters the fighters not so much but like a good many things in the entertainment industry the actual people who earn those promoters don't really matter.
I expect he will, unless sleep deprivation from the new baby gets in the way lol.
Okay, that's a valid point. I'm talking more from the point of winning in competition. There's value to the business, and to the fighter, in being flashy (income, regardless of outcome). There's not much value for winning. There are some exceptions (some of the Kyokushin moves) that look flashy and can also be useful, but I'd put those in the "use very sparingly" container for MMA competition, as well.
I missed that they have a new baby. I look forward to sleep-deprived hallucinations showing up in a future podcast.
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FriedRice
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That's nice. But why do all of your personal experiences of street fights and whatever it is that you consider "that street life" that you "left in your past".....trump all of my personal experiences of street fighting, self defense, gang rumbles, etc.? Are you somehow the final authority on the exact definition of what Street Fighting is?
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Willing to kill? Have you ever beaten the hell out of someone before? Usually when they're done... they'd go into fetal position and cover up. Or they just get knock the F out and lie there motionless. Are you saying that you're willing to, say, stomp on the head of an unconscious man, on the ground, repeatedly until his skull cracks and brain oozes out so he'd die? Or something like that? Is this what, "willing to kill" means? Why can't you just walk away after the KO?
Otherwise, you're just throwing strikes to the best of your capabilities, up the point where the fight/conflict, ceases....and a KO is almost a guaranteed stoppage in the street, which makes it sound really a lot like a sports fight in the ring.
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Her is a video of a former TKD champion using a kick to disable an aggressor. Say what you will, but it looked like it hurt.
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Also (This part is directed to the discussion, not to anyone specific.), on the subject of martial arts usefulness in self-defence, the training from (most) martial arts can come down to knowing where, and what to hit to get the desired result. It can make the difference between having to punch (or kick) the attacker once, vs having to randomly punch many times. I know that there are 1 hit ko's ( youtube is full of them), but the majority of those fighters are not trained in position. They simply know "If I hit here hard enough, something will happen."
So, I would think of Martial arts as a scope for a gun. You don't need it to pull the trigger, but it makes hitting the target the First time a lot easier.
So, I would think of Martial arts as a scope for a gun. You don't need it to pull the trigger, but it makes hitting the target the First time a lot easier.
Which is related to the point you were originally trying to argue in what way?
