Board(B): Mr. Parsons do you belong to a recognized organization for Modern Arnis? Parsons(P): No, I am independant. (B): Mr. Parsons do you belong to an organization for Balintawak? (P): No, I do not as my instructor did not and the founder of the art was his instructor. (B): Do you have certificates for your Rank from Modern Arnis? (P): I have some of them as my Ex-wife burned some during the divorce process. (B): So, you have no proof os some of your rank? You know this is suspcious. Right? (P): Yes. *** Here my Friend Bob steps up and says that he can provide certificates just likes those found on EBAY that started theother thread and then this thread. Of course Bob's would look better and have higher ranking and pretty titles and cost more. (P): SHHHH Bob I am trying to get through this. *** (B): Do you have your certificates for rank in Balintawak? (P): Sir, my instructor does not believe in certificates, as each person has to be able to back up what they claim and or say. His instructor did not hand them out so neither does he. (B): *** One smart member trying to help me out *** Can you bring your instructor in for him to testify to your claim to be able to teach? (P): No, I cannot as he has had a stroke and cannot communicate. (B): How long have you been in the martial arts? (P): I have been in the arts for 23 years (B): So Mr. Parsons you have missing paperwork in one art. You have no paperwork in another art. You instructors are either Dead or unable to communicate. Is this correct? (P): Yes. (B): Mr. Parsons are you sure you are serious and you are not just wasting our time? (P): No, I am only trying to follow the law so I can teach and continue to help the few students I may have in my life time so that they can teach in the future and the art survive. (B): *** Lots of head shaking and wispering *** (P): *** Lots of sweating and worrying about the boards decision *** (B): Mr Parsons, you understand that we usually take time to deliberate and discuss this and then publish our results at a later date. (P): Yes I understand. (B): But given the data we have in front of us, we cannot, in good conscious waste our time on this. (B): Request for License Denied. (P): Stops teaching and wonders if anything is worth the time anymore. ***** Mean while next(N) person gets up: (B): *** Same Questions as above *** (N): I have my Certs right here. I have come from a school with an organization of 50 schools and I have been training for 3 years and want to open my own school. (B): Approved as you seem to have all your requirements in hand while "others" do not. ******************************************************** I might be negative on this issue, but this is what I can imagine happening real easily. So, and others would just stop teaching in the open. We might teach one or two people but all illegally of course.