Shaolin Kempo Karate

[Mariachi Joe]

Gufball is right, take your time, finish college and make your decision after you've trained a few more years.

 

[John Bishop]

Yes, get your education. It's much more difficult getting a education once you get a wife and some kids, and start running a business. Having a education will be a asset, and is accomplishment that will stay with you for the rest of your life.
Take your martial arts training slow, it's such a great journey when your a student. Watching your skills grow. Getting stronger, getting faster. Doing things you never thought you'd be able to do. If you don't get in a hurry a teacher, you'll find it's so rewarding and enjoyable to be a student.

 

[KempoGuy06]

Even then, I would say just be an assistant than. Earn a few degrees on that Black belt before instructing. Also, in all honesty, blue or green is not the right time, you're still trying to get the material yourself, competently. Don't propogate the commercialism that is going on, if the art means alot to you.

When i said that i could start taking the steps to be an insturctor at blue or green i didnt mean that i would start teaching then. At my school the way it is set up is you can start on this 2 year process that teaches you on how to be an instructor or something like that. Honestly i dont know that much about it. I havent asked seeing as how im only an orange belt.

I know it will take me a while to get my black belt and that this or higher is the best thing to have when becoming an instructor. After really thinking about ill probably abandon the idea of opening my own school and just return to where i learned everything and ensure that my school remains open. But like many people have said I have quite a few years before i even have to seriously consider my options

B

 

[Danjo]

When i said that i could start taking the steps to be an insturctor at blue or green i didnt mean that i would start teaching then. At my school the way it is set up is you can start on this 2 year process that teaches you on how to be an instructor or something like that. Honestly i dont know that much about it. I havent asked seeing as how im only an orange belt.

I know it will take me a while to get my black belt and that this or higher is the best thing to have when becoming an instructor. After really thinking about ill probably abandon the idea of opening my own school and just return to where i learned everything and ensure that my school remains open. But like many people have said I have quite a few years before i even have to seriously consider my options

B

It's too bad. At a time when one should be focussing on one's own progress, they want you to start learning how to teach others. I would just focus on learning what you need to get to black belt and then think about whether you want to teach.

 

[Iron Leopard]

That's a point I've wondered. You can just focus on getting your black belt and learning everything without any distractions and start teaching after black belt. And that's great and a great way to start down the path to becoming an instructor.

A serious question though, is...If you start learning how to teach at a lower belt, say blue or green, does that hinder your martial arts progress or does it kick it up a notch? Mainly due to increased understanding of what you are doing. What are your thoughts on this?

 

[John Bishop]

You've got to remember. A lot of the training in "instructor training" programs isn't conducted on the mat.
You learn how to recruit students. How to keep them motivated. How to sell them things they probably don't need. How to manage your assistant instructors and employees. Basically things you need to know to run a business.
Now when it comes to the hands on physical teaching of techniques, it would probably be best to be as proficient at the technique as possible, before trying to teach it to others.

 

[Mariachi Joe]

Mr. Bishop is correct, the ussd instructor academy mostly teaches you business practices, like selling stuff and recruting people.

 

[Gufbal1982]

You've got to remember. A lot of the training in "instructor training" programs isn't conducted on the mat.
You learn how to recruit students. How to keep them motivated. How to sell them things they probably don't need. How to manage your assistant instructors and employees. Basically things you need to know to run a business.
Now when it comes to the hands on physical teaching of techniques, it would probably be best to be as proficient at the technique as possible, before trying to teach it to others.

This is why I was taught to teach 3 year old beginners when I was 12. I knew those techniques and was forced to break them down further and further. I was getting ready for brown belt testing by then, but wasn't ready for the rank until 13. So, he made teaching part of my training...but, once again, it was limited. I was glad my instructor didn't let me teach teens or adults until 16 and was getting ready to test for 2nd degree black. I understood better. By then, I learned how to recruit by watching him do it. I went another 2 years before I had my first student sign up with me. 6 years of watching and learning...sounds like a good plan.

 

[MeatWad2]

Mr. Bishop is correct, the ussd instructor academy mostly teaches you business practices, like selling stuff and recruting people.

I've heard about their program, is this what you found all so?

 

[Iron Leopard]

If I'm not mistaken the FV schools have a very similar program or ...well I guess every martial arts school or system has some kind of apprentice program or such.

 

[Gufbal1982]

If I'm not mistaken the FV schools have a very similar program or ...well I guess every martial arts school or system has some kind of apprentice program or such.

No they don't. Every instructor is taught by their instructor. You buy a license from your instructor. The only way you get taught to run a school is if you want to. If you just want to teach, then you just learn how to teach.

 

[Iron Leopard]

gufbal have you had experience teaching in both systems? Just curious.

 

[Mariachi Joe]

I've heard about their program, is this what you found all so?

IRO-BOT used to be in ussd's academy so he would know more than me. When I got my blue belt I was asked if I wanted to join their instructor academy, but when I learned about the $15,000 price of the academy I said no, there was no way I could afford that. IRO-BOT also told me that when he was in the academy he felt that he was being rushed and not getting a chance to get a good understanding of the material he was being taught.

 

[MeatWad2]

IRO-BOT used to be in ussd's academy so he would know more than me. When I got my blue belt I was asked if I wanted to join their instructor academy, but when I learned about the $15,000 price of the academy I said no, there was no way I could afford that. IRO-BOT also told me that when he was in the academy he felt that he was being rushed and not getting a chance to get a good understanding of the material he was being taught.

Funny I heard the same thing.

 

[Iron Leopard]

I guess being rushed through material is the big disadvantage to teaching before black belt.

 

[Mariachi Joe]

Yeah that's why I think USSD should not let people who are yellow and orange belts into their academy. I think they should wait until someone has at least made it to brown.

 

[almost a ghost]

I was with their program back when it only cost $3000 to $3500, while I did get lectures on how to teach, student retention, demostrating application, the occasional good of a fancy forms or techniques, a much larger part of the time was spent on students sign ups, because a majority of the schools franchise agreements were based on buying Student Manuals, a very small portion were opting for sending a monthly check for the franchise rights which from what I was told was more pricey.

 

[MeatWad2]

I was with their program back when it only cost $3000 to $3500, while I did get lectures on how to teach, student retention, demostrating application, the occasional good of a fancy forms or techniques, a much larger part of the time was spent on students sign ups, because a majority of the schools franchise agreements were based on buying Student Manuals, a very small portion were opting for sending a monthly check for the franchise rights which from what I was told was more pricey.

Sounds great were do I sign up?
I have $15,000 to throw away.

 

[MeatWad2]

Yeah that's why I think USSD should not let people who are yellow and orange belts into their academy. I think they should wait until someone has at least made it to brown.

Yellow and orange thats pretty bad.
At villaris you have to be a 3rd to run a school.

 

[Iron Leopard]

Meatwad I think that's right, 3rd degree. but I recall a couple of guys who were 2nd degree and one who was 1st, but I might have been mistaken.