Self Defense usage of the Grappling Arts

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  1. pdg

    pdg Senior Master

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    I wouldn't put too much weight in that thing about breaking your hand in a fight if you use your fist - especially if you actually know how and where to punch.

    I'd personally say that a palm strike with a bent wrist (palm heel strike) is actually more risky in terms of damaging your wrist bones, which don't like being in that position. It also exposes the soft and vulnerable suicide spot - go upwards with a palm heel toward the chin, miss or slip and tear open your ulnar and radial arteries on their teeth...

    Elbow? Sure, but it's a much closer range weapon.

    Kicks? Fine, but you'd better be good, accurate and fast if you don't want to telegraph it to hell and back and get your leg caught (and this is coming from someone who considers themselves well on the way to being a 'kicker').
     
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    Good points. That leaves grappling as the last resort. In boxing when you tie up, you get pulled apart by a ref, in a street fight it could go to the ground. The clinch/either from Thai/BJJ/CCW is crucial I would think to be truly competent in any SD scenario.
     
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    It's a myth that you are likely to break your fist in a fight. It can happen, but even entirely untrained people throw punches - to hard parts of the body - without breaking anything. And if you strike to softer or more "giving" surfaces (ribs, sternum, etc.), you reduce that risk even further.

    Catch wrestling is a good option. But there's no "best" style. A mediocre CCW program won't be as good as an excellent BJJ, Judo, wrestling, etc. program. The style matters, but the training approach matters more.
     
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    Great points gpseymour.
     
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    And you can break your wrist and fingers throwing palm heels.

    Whenever people make this comparison they use a static solid target so that the palm heel hits at exactly the right spot.

    Quite often when you train palm heels on focus mitts you hurt your hand because the other guy holds it wrong. And people still don't get there is risk to your hand there.

    It infuriates me.
     
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    Yep. Used on a reasonable target, palm heels can be good. Target, unfortunately, can make them bad. To the head, I'm mostly willing to use them. Not so much to the body - punches are safer, IMO, to the body. I could argue both ways on head strikes.
     
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