Self Defense usage of the Grappling Arts

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  1. gpseymour

    gpseymour Senior Master

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    Ah! Okay, I can work with that definition. It's not my definition, but I've never found two people who agree entirely on a single definition for it.
     
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    Or if you're the one with friends.
     
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    I think people have this idea of fighting multiples is like. "I am going to hit this guy and knock him out then break that guys knee. And then work every one else into a straight line so i can deal with them. "

    And normally it really isn't. It is more like you throw a punch and then eat a hundred punches from all directions.

    The point of all this is. If you are fighting a guy and you are worried about his friends. Then you need to finish that guy quickly.

    So sometimes taking a guy down and punching him in ground and pound is a viable tactic. Especially if you haven't dropped him stand up.

    You just need a little time and space gap to do it.
     
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    I'd argue that taking him down hard is a better tactic in that situation, as it will take most folks out of the fight for a time (at minimum). Something folks who do ground-n-pound are actually quite good at.
     
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    Touche'.... but that puts you in the category of "bad guy," right?

    Well, unless you're a cop or a military servicemenber in action.
     
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    Not necessarily. Someone might be dumb enough to jump you while you're with friends. I've stumbled across enough videos to know it's not exactly rare.
     
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    If someone tries to fight my friend. Then I will fight them I am not sure how that makes me bad.
     
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    If someone tries to fight your friend and you are not helping your friend to fight back, you will be a bad guy.

    If you are a bad guy, the whole earth will filled with "good guys", what a nice world that you are living in.
     
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    OK, first Gerry....

    And then Drop...

    C'mon you guys... no Marquis of Queensbury rules here?

    Marquess of Queensberry Rules - Wikipedia

    One on One, Mano e Mano, "That Dude challenged my Honor," or "That guy just grabbed my wife's ***," and now Let's take this outside?

    Keep in mind, one guy attacks one other guy, and the attacked reacts in self-defense and as long as he's not over the top, he's got that defense. One guy attacks another guy, and that guy and his friends jump on him and make him a puddle, that's felony assault. On the Group.

    Working security is a gray area. Don't mark people up and it's usually OK, as the cops aren't forced to "see" anything.

    Note: I did not mean to sit there and eat popcorn while your boy is getting brained with a bottle, that in itself is uncouth.
     
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    Doesn't have to be "make him into a puddle." The original point was about the risk of going to the ground being mitigated if you're the one with friends. Friends can keep others from interfering. Friends can help you restrain someone. No, in no way will I stand back and let a friend duke it out if someone attacks them. Too many bad things can happen. I'll find the first opportunity to get in and remove the attacker from the equation, unless my friend gets it under control first.
     
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    But then i might miss out on a fight.
     
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    Again, Touche'.

    Gerry, I have the impression that Drop would reduce the guy who attacks his mate to a puddle. Probably albeit untentionally and most likely faster than most people would realize there IS a fight even taking place. You went all serious on me. Of course you get in there and try to break things up, separate people, or substitute in if your friend has no skillset. But, sometimes people think that, "Hey, if the other guy swings at my friend we get to beat him down. It's his fault for starting it." And, it is a bit muddier than that. Of course assist your friends. Of course you do not get to engage in liquefying a bad guy, with numbers, lifting the level of violence, or using force multipliers like weapons if they don't have one. All I was trying to state.
     
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    Agreed.

    Mind you, I never said I wouldn't reduce the guy to a puddle - just that it needn't be so. It probably depends how much I hurt that day. The more I hurt, the faster I have to end it.
     

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