Seishin teki kyoyo

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  1. Senin

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    I wonder how current students of ninjutsu see Seishinteki kyoyo. How is it practiced or obtained in modern ninjutsu studies?

    Or is it even practiced?
     
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    Call me stupid... but what is that exactly?

    The whole harmony with nature by understanding your place in the universe thing?
     
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    I asked the same thing to an instructor about four years ago. He replied "so you think I'm being rude, arrogant and obnoxious?"
     
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    Nice! :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    chi haya buru kami no oshie wa tokoshie ni tadashikii kokoro mi o mamoruran

    - loose translation -

    "Be a good person and you'll make less enemies."
     
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    That seems like a very zen answer, especially considering I dont know what it means.
     
  8. Senin

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    Based on this, would it be safe to assume that the spiritual, mental aspects aren't stressed quite as much as, say the fighting skills, for example?

    How much meditation is involved in modern day ninjutsu?

    Thanks for the responses.
     
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    Hatsumi Sensei has said on several occasions that training is a form meditation. Therefore, the buddhist aspects of meditation are unnecessary.
     
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    Well, the guy in question was the same one who once grabbed a guy by his hair and belt and threw him head first into the wall for being a jerk to the people he trained with...on the other hand, his shuto is also the reason a friend of mine is no longer able to tilt her head as far to the left as she used to be able to.
    Besides, he's into ARMA nowadays.

    Anyway, my experience is that those who talk a lot about spiritual refinement and enlightenment are usually those who have understood it the least.
     
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    The following is from a post by Ben Cole pertaining to the subject:

    The entire discussion thread can be found here.

    Laterz :asian:
     
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    My usual response to that kind of thinking is another question - do we know for a fact that anyone has actually wound up being a proficient taijutsu exponent by training the way it is usually done in Honbu these days? Especially, during the warring states period? This is not intended as an attack on said gentleman or his opinions, just something I've been contemplating for a long time. I'm not saying you SHOULD walk around feeling like Duke Nukem all the time, but it has been said here before - if you sacrifice basics for the sake of flow, you will not become skilled at any of them.
     
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    Wow. I find it ironic that the first pillar, Seishin Teki Kyoko, of the Togakure-ryĆ» school of ninjutsu is virtually unheard of here. It is as if it doesn't exist. Then i find troubling the theory of.... just do good practice and it will come. It is not a sub-section of taijutsu. It is actually the FIRST of the basics 18 skills. Do you mean that it is not really practiced?
     
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    I have some counter-questions for you, Senin:

    Do you think people are only doing kiai when they're shouting?

    Is a Zen monk only learning mushin when he's practicing zazen?

    Are you only practicing martial arts when you're fighting??

    Things aren't black and white.
     
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    Nope.

    And questions for you:

    Can a boxer learn to box by only meditating?
    Can a swordsman learn the sword by only contemplating it?

    Since Seishin teki kyoyo is such a pillar of the art, if it is not openly taught, I can't help but think that this is one aspect that Soke is holding a bit back on. After all, I am sure that we call all agree that Soke is not totally forthcoming on all aspects of his art with absolutely everyone. Bits are being reserved.
     
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    It appears that you've still not gotten out of your Stephen Hayes/80's phase, Senin. It'll go away soon enough.
     
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    If this is true then I am glad. I am already overwhelmed by what he has taught. I would rather train than contemplate the "secrets" that Soke has yet to reveal. I am still trying to get good at san shin no gata and kihon happo!
     
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    I absolutely agree. Of course he would hold back some special information for his special shihan. The rest of us get the base course.
     
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    What do you mean by "special?"
     
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