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GouRonin
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A few people have e-mailed me asking the difference between ROSS and Vlad's Systema.
First of all, Systema in Russia from what I gather means almost any art practiced. They are not big on the names. However in North America and other places Vlad is the first to use the name Systema and so he is widely seen as the man associated with this art.
Vlad's systema is based on the training of the Spetsnaz and the tradiational arts of the Russian people. There are many Systema's in Russia though, ROSS, being one of them. Vlad's is based on "Sokoli Stalina" or "Stalin's Falcons" as the system was trained in by the highest ranking guards to Stalin. The following write up is from the Systema website:
"These were Stalin's bodyguards while he was in power for almost 30 years until his death in 1953 and then later by the Special Military Operations Units for the highest risk missions in KGB, GRU and other government bodies.
Close protection has always been the most vulnerable and challenging area in martial arts. The goal of Stalin's Falcons was to have a system that combined all the best components on all three levels of human abilities - the physical, the psychological and the psychic. But most importantly, the aim was to develop tactics that would not look like martial actions, yet remain so subtle, that when they were applied it would be barely possible to see what happened and how.
Needless to say, this System was kept away from the public by the Russian authorities. In fact, when the Communists came to power in 1917, they suppressed all national traditions. It is only since the late 1980s, with the fall of the Communist era, that these martial traditions and styles started to become available."
So While the main army learned Sambo work the Spetnaz was learning Systema style work. From what I understand ROSS is based on the Sambo/Judo work. Systema does include this but continues past it.
First of all, Systema in Russia from what I gather means almost any art practiced. They are not big on the names. However in North America and other places Vlad is the first to use the name Systema and so he is widely seen as the man associated with this art.
Vlad's systema is based on the training of the Spetsnaz and the tradiational arts of the Russian people. There are many Systema's in Russia though, ROSS, being one of them. Vlad's is based on "Sokoli Stalina" or "Stalin's Falcons" as the system was trained in by the highest ranking guards to Stalin. The following write up is from the Systema website:
"These were Stalin's bodyguards while he was in power for almost 30 years until his death in 1953 and then later by the Special Military Operations Units for the highest risk missions in KGB, GRU and other government bodies.
Close protection has always been the most vulnerable and challenging area in martial arts. The goal of Stalin's Falcons was to have a system that combined all the best components on all three levels of human abilities - the physical, the psychological and the psychic. But most importantly, the aim was to develop tactics that would not look like martial actions, yet remain so subtle, that when they were applied it would be barely possible to see what happened and how.
Needless to say, this System was kept away from the public by the Russian authorities. In fact, when the Communists came to power in 1917, they suppressed all national traditions. It is only since the late 1980s, with the fall of the Communist era, that these martial traditions and styles started to become available."
So While the main army learned Sambo work the Spetnaz was learning Systema style work. From what I understand ROSS is based on the Sambo/Judo work. Systema does include this but continues past it.
