Question for you Martial Art Masters.

[stungunsusa]

I'll be honest, aside from taking Judo when I was a kid, I'm probably a pushover nerd when it comes to fighting lol! I recently have been given the opportunity to sell a product known as a "Kubotan"

My concern is that most people wouldn't know what to do with the thing, I sure as hell wouldn't. My question is simply this, is this an item that someone with little to no experience use effectively to fend off an attacker, and if so what crucial tutorial videos or blogs should I include to ensure it is utilized properly. Way to many floating around afraid of misinformation :/

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[Tony Dismukes]

Honestly, a Kubotan is no more useful for self-defense than a heavy duty pen would be. Someone who knows how to fight can use a Kubotan to get a little extra oomph in certain strikes, pressure point attacks, and joint locks. Someone who doesn't already know how to fight won't get any more benefit from it than they would from picking up whatever hard object is close at hand for hitting an attacker with.

A tutorial video or blog is not going to be of any use to someone who isn't actually training on a consistent basis. Even if the techniques shown are solid, they won't be of any use to someone who isn't training regularly to develop the necessary instinctive skillset.

 

[Tez3]

You also need to know if it's legal to sell and use where you intend to sell them, for most it's actually a novelty item however police officers may have a different idea if they see someone with one. Legality can depend on what type it is too.

 

[oftheherd1]

I once showed one to my GM. He wasn't impressed, and only opined it might be of use to strike inside an elbow pressure point as a block to a punch. Other than that, the only practical use he thought was as a key chain, but a little awkward.

But they can have their uses if you train to use them. Usually I would expect to strike a pressure point or for pain compliance. But you would need some practical uses, and practice them a lot. And you could probably do just as well without it.

 

[Danny T]

First off I'm a master of nothing but my own mistakes.

Have trained with objects like the above... kubotan, pasak, tactical pen, flashlight...etc.
Takes training, it is not an intuitive action. Like Tony stated if one doesn't know how to fight it is likely to be of little use.
As Tez advises kubotans are illegal in many places and in some states in the US so be aware of the legalities.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Why would anyone pay money for a stick? I can pick up sticks off the ground for free...
Hell, every time we have a storm, my wife insists I go pick up sticks for free from around our trees...

The use of any weapon carries with it legal ramifications. Doesn't matter what the weapon is. And any weapon requires training to use most effectively. Doesn't matter what the weapon is.
Using a weapon of any kind against an unarmed opponent is always a legal can of worms.
And here, at any rate, if you use a weapon of any kind, you've just pretty much justified my use of lethal force.
If I am going to carry a weapon (and I do, daily), it's going to be something a lot more lethal than a little stick.

 

[stungunsusa]

Tony, Danny, I very much agree with what your saying. So I suppose the only logical conclusion for me is to learn how to effectively use them myself, which would take time out of my day being a nerd... Better yet, find me an expert martial arts specialist who wants 1000s of referrals from me

 

[Tez3]

I noticed the ad for your 'store' that you have on your posts, can I ask if you cleared that with the site and they are okay with you advertising, perhaps you paid to have it there? Not being funny it's just that ads are usually paid for.

 

[Juany118]

Why would anyone pay money for a stick? I can pick up sticks off the ground for free...
Hell, every time we have a storm, my wife insists I go pick up sticks for free from around our trees...

The use of any weapon carries with it legal ramifications. Doesn't matter what the weapon is. And any weapon requires training to use most effectively. Doesn't matter what the weapon is.
Using a weapon of any kind against an unarmed opponent is always a legal can of worms.
And here, at any rate, if you use a weapon of any kind, you've just pretty much justified my use of lethal force.
If I am going to carry a weapon (and I do, daily), it's going to be something a lot more lethal than a little stick.

This however is why I like the, small tactical flashlights and "indestructible" pens. They are actually small enough that a Jury, even a Judge won't see it as justifying lethal force because they are small everyday objects with a primary purpose not related to being a weapon. These also, vs the kubaton, don't run into legal issues. However, if you know how to use them they can be dang effective.

 

[Buka]

I'll be honest,

Do tell. From your site, looks like you've been selling them already. What up with dat?

 

[drop bear]

I have seen basic martial arts novices use kubotan like objects effectively.

Hold it and hammer fist dudes.

 

[stungunsusa]

I noticed the ad for your 'store' that you have on your posts, can I ask if you cleared that with the site and they are okay with you advertising, perhaps you paid to have it there? Not being funny it's just that ads are usually paid for.

lol! My friend, I must admit, that selling things is of much importance to me in many ways as a web developer, chasing a dream in the ecommmerce world for sure! But irregardless of what sales experience you have, I would hope you would know that a man with a sales pitch selling a defensive product to people who actually are masters of it's utilization, and informing them of my lack of fighting experience would have to be one of the worst sales pitches in the world!

I very much admit that my intent with any knowledge I acquire at this gem find message board might be used for selling, but logically I would think it obvious this place would be off limits. So long as you don't subscribe to a mailing list on my site, you needn't worry about tom spammery from me good sir!

 

[Dirty Dog]

Using silly words like "irregardless" should be off limits too.

 

[Tez3]

lol! My friend, I must admit, that selling things is of much importance in one way or another in the ecommmerce world im sure. But irregardless of what sales experience you have, I would hope you would know that a man with a sales pitch selling a defensive product to people who actually are masters of it's utilization, and informing them of my lack of fighting experience would have to be one of the worst sales pitches in the world!

I very much admit that my intent with any knowledge I acquire at this gem find message board might be used for selling, but logically I would think it obvious this place would be off limits

Er what? Do you speak English as a second language? Not your sale pitch whatever that is but your advertisement you have as your signature. Did you contact the site to pay for the advertising

 

[stungunsusa]

I don't know Tez, did the presence of my website put any temptation upon you to click the link and visit it. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about telling you precisely why I have my website in my signature. It's my work, with several hours of suffering I made it, im proud of it. I put a lot of work into it, so therefore it very much belongs in my signature just as you masters of martial arts breaking bricks into dust do as a portrait. You are proud of it and rightfully so!

Secondly, we no longer live in a world where it's whoever has the lowest prices, and the smoothest silver tongue that makes his milk money. A complex systematic devised by the new superpower of the world, aka google, essentially wants people and their websites to be within relation to whatever they are selling, discussing, doing at all period! So by taking this verbal assault, and attempting to acquire knowledge, I might get my black belt in SEO someday

So i'll either be banned, or blessed with you gentlemen's wealth of knowledge which I would greatly appreciate.

 

[Tez3]

you gentlemen's

Excuse me?

I don't know Tez, did the presence of my website put any temptation upon you to click the link and visit it. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about telling you precisely why I have my website in my signature. It's my work, with several hours of suffering I made it, im proud of it. I put a lot of work into it, so therefore it very much belongs in my signature just as you masters of martial arts breaking bricks into dust do as a portrait. You are proud of it and rightfully so

My days, I've haven't heard such a load of waffle for a long time. The site has a policy about advertising, why should they carry your ad for free? Whether you are proud of it or not is no import, the designers and owners of MT are equally proud of it, why would you want to do them out of the small amount of revenue you ad would bring in when they do this for free? I don't, never have nor ever would break bricks so no I'm not 'proud' of such things, nor do I appreciate brown nosing.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I don't know Tez, did the presence of my website put any temptation upon you to click the link and visit it. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about telling you precisely why I have my website in my signature. It's my work, with several hours of suffering I made it, im proud of it. I put a lot of work into it, so therefore it very much belongs in my signature just as you masters of martial arts breaking bricks into dust do as a portrait. You are proud of it and rightfully so!

Secondly, we no longer live in a world where it's whoever has the lowest prices, and the smoothest silver tongue that makes his milk money. A complex systematic devised by the new superpower of the world, aka google, essentially wants people and their websites to be within relation to whatever they are selling, discussing, doing at all period! So by taking this verbal assault, and attempting to acquire knowledge, I might get my black belt in SEO someday

So i'll either be banned, or blessed with you gentlemen's wealth of knowledge which I would greatly appreciate.

It's in the Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered. For obvious reasons, the site owners placed limits on advertising. As you have your business, they have theirs.

 

[Dirty Dog]

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[Tez3]

Folks... let the moderation team worry about what's allowed under the TOS, ok? If you have an issue, hit the report button. If you go after someone in the forums, you're as likely to end up getting reported yourself.
The TOS are available to everybody. See that link down in the bottom right hand corner of every single page?

Okay but when a poster is using this place only to advertise and not post about martial arts etc and to manage to write nonsense too it's everyone's concern, well,if we care about this place it should be. Reporting is official, mentioning it in a post is friendly.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Folks... let the moderation team worry about what's allowed under the TOS, ok? If you have an issue, hit the report button. If you go after someone in the forums, you're as likely to end up getting reported yourself.
The TOS are available to everybody. See that link down in the bottom right hand corner of every single page?

I only mentioned it to him to make sure he was aware of it. Sometimes folks think others are being anti-business when they note that someone has an ad, and most of us didn't read the full TOS on the way in. Just trying to keep folks from getting a ban (not even sure if that would happen) without being aware they were in voilation.