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Any thoughts on these? It seems to be linked to Yuen Kay San / Yun Hoi but not Yip Man(?). It doesn't really read like a poem but it seems interesting. The second one specifically mentions 'Red Boat' and Yun Hoi.
*the only "poems" I've heard of in Yip Man line are the huge repository from Ho Kam Ming lineage...

I find it interesting that the poem(s) mention an "originator". Is this Leung Jan or someone from an earlier time period?

Also of interest is the beginning...it mentions the "techniques" of WC...not the "concepts" of WC. Perhaps it is referencing san sik?

From The Wing Chun Poem

The Wing Chun Poem
The techniques of Wing Chun Kuen are unique;

The methods are impenetrable, changing them should be avoided!

Correct teaching, correct practice and the correct mindset are essential.

You must train your heart to be courageous.

Relaxing and smiling whilst defeating the opponent makes for great tales;

Seeking by the questioning hand to judge the foe’s situation.

It is like watching flowers when he is further away;

Striking when he is near.

Let him fly like a dragon and hop like a tiger,

while I am at ease and entertained;

The hands strike like a falling star!

The kick is formless like a flying arrow!

Above, remain on the centerline;

Below, close the groin, ensuring the body is inaccessible.

The key is sticking to the bridge of the enemy!

Exalted awareness controls his advance;

The skill is to borrow force and strike forcefully.

Lead him into emptiness;

To strike first has its reasons;

In the encounter is embedded the mystery!

Do not stop at a single strike,

Pressuring the opponent continuously is essential.

Go on top of the incoming bridge,

Neutralize the incoming elbow with an elbow.

Close in to long range strikes

Move the stance forward to an incoming stance.

Keeping the incoming hand and send forward the outgoing hand,

A loose hand must be followed with a forward thrust.

Take the incoming straight thrust with a curve,

Encounter the cross hand with a straight thrust forward.

Forwarding, obstruction, blocking and twisting

Topping, stopping, sinking, thrusting,

Sticking, touching, ironing, swinging,

Swallowing and spitting contain stealing and slipping.

Each point in the theory must be very clear.

Each technique must be clear.

The difference of a line is like heaven and earth.

The slightest bit of slackness will bring defeat.

Commit all these to memory!

One day retrieve the mystery within.

Honour your teacher and respect the art, year after year,

Honestly and determination will generate greatness!

Clever methods will generate more clever methods;

Unusual training exercises will generate more unusual training exercises;

Wind and thunder generated within an inch –

How can you not be humbled?

The true words of the originator:

The true skill of Wing Chun is difficult to find,

There are many levels.

The true art will be found in the most unusual circumstances;

You must be intelligent and diligent over the years,

The unworthy practitioner will always be a lonesome boat in a big ocean.

The art teaches the art! The art protects the art!



and.....

From The Original Red Boat Song of the Wing Chun Kuen | Internal Kung Fu Australia

The Original Red Boat Song of the Wing Chun Kuen


The techniques of Wing Chun Kuen are unique;

The methods are impenetrable, changing them should be avoided!

Correct teaching, correct practice and the correct mindset are essential.

You must train your heart to be courageous.

Relaxing and smiling whilst defeating the opponent makes for great tales;

Seeking by the questioning hand to judge the foe’s situation.

It is like watching flowers when he is further away;

Striking when he is near.

Let him fly like a dragon and hop like a tiger, while I am at ease and entertained;

The hands strike like a falling star!

The kick is formless like a flying arrow!

Above, remain on the centerline;

Below, close the groin,

Ensuring the body is inaccessible.

The key is sticking to the bridge of the enemy!

Exalted awareness controls his advance;

The skill is to borrow force and strike forcefully.

Lead him into emptiness;

To strike first has its reasons;

In the encounter is embedded the mystery!

Do not stop at a single strike,

Pressuring the opponent continuously is essential.

Go on top of the incoming bridge,

Neutralize the incoming elbow with an elbow.

Close in to long range strikes

Move the stance forward to an incoming stance.

Keeping the incoming hand and send forward the outgoing hand,

A loose hand must be followed with a forward thrust.

Take the incoming straight thrust with a curve,

Encounter the cross hand with a straight thrust forward.

Forwarding, obstruction, blocking and twisting

Topping, stopping, sinking, thrusting,

Sticking, touching, ironing, swinging,

Swallowing and spitting contain stealing and slipping.

Each point in the theory must be very clear.

Each technique must be clear.

The difference of a line is like heaven and earth.

The slightest bit of slackness will bring defeat.

Commit all these to memory!

One day retrieve the mystery within.

Honour your teacher and respect the art, year after year,

Honestly and determination will generate greatness!

Clever methods will generate more clever methods;

Unusual training exercises will generate more unusual training exercises;

Wind and thunder generated within an inch -

How can you not be humbled?

The true words of the originator:

The true skill of Wing Chun is difficult to find,

There are many levels.

The true art will be found in the most unusual circumstances;

You must be intelligent and diligent over the years,

The unworthy practitioner will always be a lonesome boat in a big ocean.

The art protects the art!

Copyright 2002–2006 Yun Hoi Wing Chun Kuen
 

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it would be interesting to see the Chinese character for originator, if its 祖 ...I think it can also mean ancestor or forebearer which may have reference regarding the martial art being passed on.

With regard to the term techniques, it may be that the character used was 術 which also means art.

Just my view...

Though your point on techniques and concepts is excellent insight in itself.
 
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it would be interesting to see the Chinese character for originator, if its 祖 ...I think it can also mean ancestor or forebearer which may have reference regarding the martial art being passed on.

With regard to the term techniques, it may be that the character used was 術 which also means art.

Just my view...

Though your point on techniques and concepts is excellent insight in itself.

Thx Snark! I've never seen the Chinese characters for this... if I do I'll update this thread. I hope more people will add to this post...would love to learn more. Like, how old is this, etc? And about those 16 "methods" it lists...
 

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Any thoughts on these? It seems to be linked to Yuen Kay San / Yun Hoi but not Yip Man(?). It doesn't really read like a poem but it seems interesting. The second one specifically mentions 'Red Boat' and Yun Hoi.
*the only "poems" I've heard of in Yip Man line are the huge repository from Ho Kam Ming lineage...

I find it interesting that the poem(s) mention an "originator". Is this Leung Jan or someone from an earlier time period?

Also of interest is the beginning...it mentions the "techniques" of WC...not the "concepts" of WC. Perhaps it is referencing san sik?

From The Wing Chun Poem

The Wing Chun Poem
The techniques of Wing Chun Kuen are unique;

The methods are impenetrable, changing them should be avoided!

Correct teaching, correct practice and the correct mindset are essential.

You must train your heart to be courageous.

Relaxing and smiling whilst defeating the opponent makes for great tales;

Seeking by the questioning hand to judge the foe’s situation.

It is like watching flowers when he is further away;

Striking when he is near.

Let him fly like a dragon and hop like a tiger,

while I am at ease and entertained;

The hands strike like a falling star!

The kick is formless like a flying arrow!

Above, remain on the centerline;

Below, close the groin, ensuring the body is inaccessible.

The key is sticking to the bridge of the enemy!

Exalted awareness controls his advance;

The skill is to borrow force and strike forcefully.

Lead him into emptiness;

To strike first has its reasons;

In the encounter is embedded the mystery!

Do not stop at a single strike,

Pressuring the opponent continuously is essential.

Go on top of the incoming bridge,

Neutralize the incoming elbow with an elbow.

Close in to long range strikes

Move the stance forward to an incoming stance.

Keeping the incoming hand and send forward the outgoing hand,

A loose hand must be followed with a forward thrust.

Take the incoming straight thrust with a curve,

Encounter the cross hand with a straight thrust forward.

Forwarding, obstruction, blocking and twisting

Topping, stopping, sinking, thrusting,

Sticking, touching, ironing, swinging,

Swallowing and spitting contain stealing and slipping.

Each point in the theory must be very clear.

Each technique must be clear.

The difference of a line is like heaven and earth.

The slightest bit of slackness will bring defeat.

Commit all these to memory!

One day retrieve the mystery within.

Honour your teacher and respect the art, year after year,

Honestly and determination will generate greatness!

Clever methods will generate more clever methods;

Unusual training exercises will generate more unusual training exercises;

Wind and thunder generated within an inch –

How can you not be humbled?

The true words of the originator:

The true skill of Wing Chun is difficult to find,

There are many levels.

The true art will be found in the most unusual circumstances;

You must be intelligent and diligent over the years,

The unworthy practitioner will always be a lonesome boat in a big ocean.

The art teaches the art! The art protects the art!



and.....

From The Original Red Boat Song of the Wing Chun Kuen | Internal Kung Fu Australia

The Original Red Boat Song of the Wing Chun Kuen


The techniques of Wing Chun Kuen are unique;

The methods are impenetrable, changing them should be avoided!

Correct teaching, correct practice and the correct mindset are essential.

You must train your heart to be courageous.

Relaxing and smiling whilst defeating the opponent makes for great tales;

Seeking by the questioning hand to judge the foe’s situation.

It is like watching flowers when he is further away;

Striking when he is near.

Let him fly like a dragon and hop like a tiger, while I am at ease and entertained;

The hands strike like a falling star!

The kick is formless like a flying arrow!

Above, remain on the centerline;

Below, close the groin,

Ensuring the body is inaccessible.

The key is sticking to the bridge of the enemy!

Exalted awareness controls his advance;

The skill is to borrow force and strike forcefully.

Lead him into emptiness;

To strike first has its reasons;

In the encounter is embedded the mystery!

Do not stop at a single strike,

Pressuring the opponent continuously is essential.

Go on top of the incoming bridge,

Neutralize the incoming elbow with an elbow.

Close in to long range strikes

Move the stance forward to an incoming stance.

Keeping the incoming hand and send forward the outgoing hand,

A loose hand must be followed with a forward thrust.

Take the incoming straight thrust with a curve,

Encounter the cross hand with a straight thrust forward.

Forwarding, obstruction, blocking and twisting

Topping, stopping, sinking, thrusting,

Sticking, touching, ironing, swinging,

Swallowing and spitting contain stealing and slipping.

Each point in the theory must be very clear.

Each technique must be clear.

The difference of a line is like heaven and earth.

The slightest bit of slackness will bring defeat.

Commit all these to memory!

One day retrieve the mystery within.

Honour your teacher and respect the art, year after year,

Honestly and determination will generate greatness!

Clever methods will generate more clever methods;

Unusual training exercises will generate more unusual training exercises;

Wind and thunder generated within an inch -

How can you not be humbled?

The true words of the originator:

The true skill of Wing Chun is difficult to find,

There are many levels.

The true art will be found in the most unusual circumstances;

You must be intelligent and diligent over the years,

The unworthy practitioner will always be a lonesome boat in a big ocean.

The art protects the art!

Copyright 2002–2006 Yun Hoi Wing Chun Kuen
Did you write those yourself? I didn't take you for a poet.
 

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Thx Snark! I've never seen the Chinese characters for this... if I do I'll update this thread. I hope more people will add to this post...would love to learn more. Like, how old is this, etc? And about those 16 "methods" it lists...


WingChunPedia | WCP / KuenKuit browse

I think it might be a bit of a modern poem developed from various kuen kuit, most branches have them.
(I think you are right the ironing, is meant to be press)
 

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