My Analysis of (some) Defendu techniques.

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  1. frank raud

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    Take a real good look at the match box strike in Get Tough!, then explain how this is not a ridge hand strike.
     
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    Besides the finish strategy (how to use it to end a fight), you should also include the entering strategy (how to set up).

    For example,

    - You use side kick.
    - Your opponent block it and spin your body.
    - You borrow his spin force, apply your palm strike.
     
  3. Rat

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    To be fair, im more concerned about that not working. I kind of want to try that but i dont think i would get a willing participant.

    In context i was referring to his default knife hand to try and explain you dont strike with your thumb side when its extended and his standard knife hand was non ridge hand striking.



    Interesting, given i haven't actually learnt these things in context and most people get them from the books hes produced. There is a minor covering about using a side stomp to the foot/shin and if it doesnt work to palm strike them in the jaw.

    Hopefully some WW2 combatives places are still around when i can actually get them or techniques based on them.
     
  4. frank raud

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    Why do you think the matchbox strike wouldn't work? Many people who do WWII combatives(not all) learned them from veterans of WWII or Korea. One gentleman I learned from was taught by his father, who was in Darby's Rangers. His father , in turn was taught combatives in England by Stan Bissell.
     
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    In the systems you are familiar with. In several Japanese and Chinese systems, it is taught with the thumb extended. In the over 20 years I have been doing combatives, striking various things like Bobs, heavy bags, door frames(and occasionally other people), I have never had a concern about breaking my thumb, as I'm hitting with the opposite side of my hand.
     
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  6. Rat

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    I would be interested to see it done on someone to see the effect first hand.

    The kind of line seems to be dying out sort of. More contemporary things have popped up and WW2 combatives should have evolved since the war. (latter isnt a bad thing)
     
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    Mate if I am in a trench fighting a Nazi. I am throwing elbows.
     
  8. frank raud

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    Again, why is it you think the matchbox strike won't work?
     
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    Seems weird and i question the force being generated to achieve anything other than a superficial effect on the person in question. (i dont really know many people who carry a matchbox around with them rather than a lighter either)

    But then it seems like such a niche thing someone must have done it for it to be in the book.
     
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    Preferably someone else's.
     
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    Start! Start! :D
     
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    So, Rat, did you get any farther in studying Defendu techniques?
     
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    I found a website with some articles on it, by someone i forgot the name of. As far as i got, Fairbairn taught it different to the OSS and NA units*, than sykes did to U.K ones and the SoE.
    *With the edition of applegate

    And then, the techniques were made to be simple, easy to apply, applicable to multiple things and be not easily telegraphed etc. Or at least they were some criteria to them. (so each technique meets one or more of a list of criteria)

    i haven't properly read the website yet, only skimmed some bits of interest. would probably give my right arm to find a place which teaches it in full though. In its traditional method with maybe a few modern replacements to better represent the developments in sports science.

    Edit: in addition to that, i kind of want to see his footwork and elbows.
     
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    So you've read some articles...yeah that doesn't count as studying the system
     
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    I'll make it easy on you. No elbows, no footwork shown in any of his manuals.
     
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    Hmmm. This is Rat's thing... and he's diligent and dedicated to keeping the conversation going ...but he hasn't actually trained in it, so rather than a practitioner, that would make him a researcher and scholar of the art ...except that he only skim reads the articles and other sources he finds, and depends upon people like you, Frank, for clarification... so he really isn't much of a researcher, at least not a serious one ...so what would he be?

    ...a diligent dilittante? ;)

    @ Rat: No hard feelings Rat. I'm mostly a keyboard warrior myself these days. I'm lucky if I can train with the guys a couple of times a week, and it's not very physical training at that. In fact I'm fat and feeling over the hill. Yet I still hang out here and mouth off just for fun! :D
     
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    I'd stick with the conveniently-sharp shovel myself
     
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    As a side note. I do own one of these.
     
  20. Rat

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    Yep, i saw that,i have skimmed get tough a few times, and i dont think i saw it on the ToC for the others ones. Well footwork is shown, its just not a subject of its own. :p


    What did you say about me? i have over a thousand successful palm heel strikes on nazis... :p

    I can really only go on whats printed in readily available sources and its a semi nitche subject, outside of the main manuals you can find anyway. And since Paladins press went under, rex applegates books is harder to find. I dont really keep notes or annotate sources, and i usually read in a reference way, so i fish out things to read to check on things.

    there are some pros in that, you can find some obscure articles and such, you never quite know what i have archived. :p
     

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