Mixed Martial Arts Sparring

Discussion in 'The Great Debate' started by Zenjael, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. Cyriacus

    Cyriacus Senior Master

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    What about a Bite?
    I havent read up on anatomy for a while, and cant remember how far in the Arteries are.
     
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    Dirty Dog MT Senior Moderator Staff Member

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    You've been watching Twilight too much...
    :slapfight:

    They're too deep for any real danger from a human bite. Besides, under what circumstances do you expect to be biting someone in the armpit?

    Do we really want to know???
     
  3. Cyriacus

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    Its more like, I was wondering how far in the Artery was, and if a tooth could reach it. I have never watched Twilight, and meant it more as an 'Out Of Interest' archetype of question :)

    To which You answered.
     
  4. Zenjael

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    I've heard this labeled as prescient telegraphing, but I have not seen the term used outside one school, so I do not think it has a common name. Either way, people of considerable school, comparatively to whom they are fighting, can do this.

    I can think of one martial artist in particular who is gifted with this. Having a very good ability to emulate another's style, and be able to pick up on a person's individual patterns enables this ability. It takes a looooong time to perfect, however.
     
  5. K-man

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    Alex, please use the quotes properly. I would like to refer to the original post but the way you quote without reference means we have to go brought the whole thread. :idunno:
     
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    No, that's called feinting or drawing an attack, depending on exactly how it's done. It's part of strategy and tactics, as opposed to techniques. It can range from simple things like deliberately leaving a guard hand low, creating an apparent opening so that you can counter-attack, to fairly long approaches such as holding back throughout the round, taking shots in protected spots to tire the opponent and eventually lull them into overconfidence which you then exploit. You may use a feint to encourage the opponent to attack you. It does take time to learn and perfect; that I'll certainly agree with.

    As an aside... quoting properly is easy. At the bottom of the post you're replying to, you'll see an option "Reply With Quote"; it has an icon of a word balloon with a single set of quotation marks. Click it, and a reply window opens with the post already tagged and everything so it's easy to reference. A lot easier than copying and pasting and manually adding the quote marks. Though that it'd even work if you'd take the simple step of adding a note about who you're quoting... It doesn't even have to be in APA or MLA style, just a note "jks9199 said this:" But letting the software do the hardwork really seems much simpler to me...
     
  7. frank raud

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    Attack by drawing? Isn't that what they do in JKD?
     
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    It's found in a lot of arts; it's a classic tactic in everything from personal combat (sparring or dueling), to chess, to fencing, to war fighting.
     
  9. K-man

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    I knew I would find it eventually.

    We call this a 'predetermined response'. We use it in aikido and also in karate, in the bunkai. From any given position of control we launch a strike that will either cause real pain, or worse, to our opponent so he must block in a predetermined way or be hit. His block places his arm exactly where we want it to control the arm and launch our next strike and so on until he fails to block.
     
  10. Zenjael

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    Thank you for that post K-man. I'm glad to see someone from aikido putting in their 2-cents. I value the philosophy aikido employs- it's dangerous, but result is total nullification without harming anyone. Very ideal.To this degree, I am not surprised in the least to see Aikido taking great advantage of this kind of tactic.

    In the Chung Do Kwan system, tactic was essentially synonymous with technique.
     
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    Zenjael,

    Did you ever PM JKS and see about setting up some training?
     
  12. Zenjael

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    Where we practice is free. He is always welcome to join us- our group is open. I have said this to everyone since day one. If anyone reallllllllllly doubts me as a martial artist, they are free to come and participate, or watch for themself. In fact, I encourage it- it'd be nice to get more warm bodies in.
     
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    And perhaps his location is also free. You wont know any info. unless you contact him. I'm in CT so I'm not around the corner from you. Otherwise, I'd be more than happy to get together for a workout.
     
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    This is rarely the case and a common misconception about Aikido IMO.
     
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    Agreed, Himura. Frankly, though, Alex not having any real knowledge or understanding of Aikido doesn't really surprise me.
     
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    We generally welcome visitors. Information about where we train is available here on MT, if you but look...
     
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    Yes, well, when you're not dedicating years to studying something, its kinda hard to get any real knowledge. I've yet to see an art, in which you can learn it in its entirety, within a short amount of time.
     
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    So, will we get an explantion of how you do kouchigari? It may be that you have learned a different technique, that has been incorrectly named, but it is hard to tell without knowing exactly what it is you are supposed to be doing.
     
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    You can learn an art in days... but proficiency, excellence, and its execution takes years. I claim no proficiency in aikido- merely that I admire its psychology of caring for the attacker.

    When I was mugged, in part I am appalled I struck at the persons windpipe... I would like to think, as a person, a philosopher, a martial artist, I can find a way to protect myself without feeling the need to resort to that harm.

    Idealism has gotten many killed... hopefully it won't me, right?
     
  20. K-man

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    I would suggest you may be able to learn a technique in days but you certainly can not learn an art in that time. As for Aikido, I have been studying this art for five and a half years. I think I am doing really well and hope to achieve Shodan later this year. I am a rank beginner in this art. It is incredibly complex. At this stage I would not be comfortable taking an aikido class. In contrast, when I was 1st kyu karate, yes I could take a karate class to my level. I know now that at that stage I really didn't know much even though I had been training for about the same length of time, and thought I knew a lot.

    Now, if someone cares to attack me, I really couldn't care less what happens to them. If there is more than one attacker I would probably try to do more to immobilise them as I have this thing about not doing the same job twice. If I am attacked, after years of karate and five plus years of aikido, my reaction will probably be to utilise karate as it is more suited to gross motor skills. To say that I would like to protect myself, without harming my attacker, could not be further from my mind.
     

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