Martial Arts Aren't Magic

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  1. jobo

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    i have little idea, what that lot was supposed to show. You said that there needs to be maturity to understand the concept of violence, i think, most kids will catch on when another kid pins them to the ground and repeatedly punches them. or some such,

    and why do you believe. That say a 13 yo can't learn applicable fighting skill, ? if a thirteen yo ma gets into a fight why arnt his skills just as applicable as a 15 yo ma. Your whole point doesn't make sense!
     
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    You are only finding the example that backs up your view though. What about the multiple cases of professional fighters getting into altercations outside the ring and they demonstrate they are more than capable of defending themselves? Him unable to defend himself against 5 or more people one armed with a 2x4 isn't a failing of his training. If you stack the deck high enough against someone regardless of how well they're trained, they won't come out on top.
     
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    No it's not. Finding a video of a professional fighter getting overwhelmed by 5 or more people isn't proof of his claim. Look up the other cases of professional fighters getting into altercations outside the ring, then tell me they're training wasn't effective
     
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    Not necessarily.
     
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    No, he was the example you used. I was stating in general that the well trained can still be defeated under the right circumstances.
     
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    There are effective and ineffective ways of training though.
     
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    ok your right, sorry if i dont make any sense to you...You Win.
    im not interested in an argument today.
     
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    or you could just stop making nonsensical posts?
     
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    While I agree with the rest of your post, this line is debatable...


     
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    Is it? instilling into him a level of confidence that isn't proportional to his skill is dangerous. There needs to be a correlation between confidence and ability.
     
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    id never have got anywhere if that was true
     
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    I get the point of the thread, but I take issue witht he title. There are martial arts that are, in fact, magic.
     
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    So whats magic about it? In Japan MA is like little league. A discipline that some catch on to because....... they can already fight. Even then nobody does it for self defense, but for competiton. NOT to defend themselves. This is where the concept has got twisted.

    Ater a lot of posts I now see clear distinction as to why a lot a people in the West do it. But it's not the reason I started. I could already fight. It was the challenge and the self discipline that attracted me.
     
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    The only way to deal with multiple opponents is to train to deal with multiple opponents. How can not training to deal wih multiple opponents not be a fail in of his training. Clearly that’s exactly what it is.
     
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    To you it seems that way yes.
     
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    Something I have thought a lot about is why people here in the states do martial arts. What drives people to choose MA and to train. My answer as of today is a bit complex and revolves around psychology.
    For some reason certain people have a fear of violence and that fear even though it may be small causes anxiety. some people are very sensitive to this anxiety. They have a subconscious need to relieve the anxiety and stress and martial arts fills that role. This has a ripple effect of ramifications. One major factor that should be understood is that it is the perceived ability to deal with violence, this means that the training does not actually have to address violence but only the anxiety. It can be a paper tiger and still be good enough for the student as long as it appears real and relieves the anxiety and stress. This is because it is not the end result that is needed but only the process. The process, the training causes hope, a light at the end of the tunnel. As long as the person is on the path the stress is kept in check and is manageable.

    That being said I am curious on why this would not hold true in Japan. Perhaps in Japan the pressure of obligation outweighs any thoughts of personal insecurity.
     
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    Your inability to understand does not make it nonsensical.
     
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    Thanks for that opinion. That explains a lot.

    Japan is not a violent society. Admittedly there are few cases like the recent sword problem. It's not as law abiding as they would like to think either because they keep things out of the media. But people dont usually have guns. They have faith in the system and stress and anxiety are in other things like work. Just forced into very very busy life by society. Hard to tell the difference beween a plain clothes policeman and yakuza who meet and reach a certain understanding.
     
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    his inability to even attempt to justify it does
     
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    are you really suggesting that such training would have altered the out come significantly ?
     

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