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Discussion in 'Krav Maga' started by Kababayan, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. Satt

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    I didn't mean to imply that you were measuring or anything. I was just saying in general, there is no shortage of trash talk about Krav or any other system if you look around the forums/internet. I am simply saying for me, it's better than nothing since I don't have a lot of time anymore. I have studied weapons arts and I value those as well, but I am attracted to Krav with my current lifestyle.
     
  2. Kababayan

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    I respectfully disagree. I have an Arnis background and teach knife personal protection classes. I don't use any of my Arnis stuff in my classes, minus attacking the tendons. Some of the "knife arts" contain mainly knife vs knife drills that can give students a false sense of security regarding open-hand knife defense. They contain a lot of in-close parrying and redirecting-to-disarm, which is really cool for "martial artist vs. martial artist" but not the best for "random guy constantly stabbing." I think Krav defenses are some of the most realistic defenses out there. Knives are very scary and, in my opinion, are some of the most mis-taught techniques in the martial arts. I agree with Runs With Fire, as there is a lot of people claiming to teach real Krav, but they don't (for various reasons that we can discuss if it comes up later.)

    I think Michael Janich has some really practical ways of dealing with knives (double arm block + grab). There is also a video on Youtube where a police officer explains his most practical knife defense (a double arm block + grab). I forgot what the video was called. Knife defenses are something that people should train as much as any other defense. Unfortunately, many dojos treat knife defenses as "special classes" and rarely teach them.
     
  3. Xue Sheng

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    Speaking as an old ex-auto mechanic and current IT guy.... you actually need to know a lot more about computers and how they work and how to read computer diagnostics than you need to know about a car these days....but what do I know, when I started as a mechanic we were still rebuilding stuff, not just remove and replace like it was when I finally left the field.... but I get y our point

    However I don't see the connection to the webpage you supplied and Krav Maga schools in my area. But I will also say not all Krav maga schools are created equal, but that can be said of virtually any marital art style that is taught at a school
     
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    I think what Runs With Fire was saying is that there are a lot of people who are either not that good at Krav and its principals, got a certificate from a so-called or made-up "Krav affiliate", or is a "Krav-fu" teacher (one who has blended Krav with something else.) I agree with his statement that there are a lot of crappy Krav instructors out there. Krav, to me, is like BJJ when it first came to the U.S. Because of the popularity of BJJ in the UFC, many dojos began advertising that they teach BJJ just because an instructor did a two-week course at some BJJ camp. Krav is getting that reputation. There is a big push from the main Krav organizations to keep Krav Maga from becoming a generic term like Karate or Kung Fu. Unfortunately even some of the respected organizations offer two-week instructor courses, open to students with limited experience. The courses aren't meant to teach the entire system, but rather the first levels...but the reality is that many instructors take those beginner courses and Youtube or video the rest of the moves and call themselves full Krav instructors.
     
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    I love Silat. There are definitely some parallels between Silat and Krav Training philosophies.
     
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    I would do so too if firearms were common and allowed here

    I also have to respectfully disagree with you :D

    I think Krav has some awesome empty hand stuff and also informs people about the legal stuff. My experience with Silat and Kali/Arnis is different than yours, my teachers taught me how to wield a knife in order to understand better how to defend myself against a knife. So my Kali background goes further than a couple of knife vs knife drills.

    Don't get me wrong, I loved Krav Maga and I was taught for 2 years by the current Dutch Chairman of the Krav Maga Global organisation, the thing what put me off was the amount of money they try to milk out of Krav Maga, not sure if you guys experience that too?
     
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    There are organizations who just want to squeeze your lemons. Every last drop. Trouble is, unless you do, it's unlikely to make a comfortable living out of it.
     
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    Then the "honest guys" are tempted to cut corners in training and certification. They rely heavily on YouTube and forums instead of more hands on courses, seminars, and working with other instructors
     
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    Nice discussion! I recently started training with a friend of mine, who is also a fellow Kenpo Blackbelt, in this organization. So far, from what I've seen, I like it. Yes, I certainly agree that there are good and bad out there, just like any other art. The Krav Maga Federation right in NYC, and while it'd only be a 2 hr train ride, I'm afraid that I wouldn't be able to be as consistent as I am currently.

    Likewise, I also have an Arnis Black Belt, and while I have always felt that if you want to really understand something, you should train in the art that specializes in it, ie: BJJ--grappling, I will admit that I've seen some knife work that made me raise an eyebrow..lol. Not saying it's all bad....to each their own. Just because *I* don't like a certain technique, doesn't mean that the next person wouldn't. I'm saying for *ME* I'd choose something else.

    But, back to Krav. IMHO, trained right, under a good teacher, I feel that it will provide you with a simple, effective method of defending yourself. This isn't to say that an art that has kata isn't good. I'm simply saying from what I've seen, Krav will provide you with a more to the point, method of SD.
     
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    It's how I would teach someone who needed it now. In SHTF (Something Horribly Terribly Fierce), it would be a necessary base.
     
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    [QUOTE the thing what put me off was the amount of money they try to milk out of Krav Maga, not sure if you guys experience that too?[/QUOTE]

    That sucks. I think the franchise model or full-time instructor model that many organizations are pushing lends itself to that. I ran a full-time dojo for years so I know when someone is selling for more than they should. Unfortunately, I think your experience in becoming the norm. BJJ, at least in my area, was known for getting every last dollar out of students, until a million BJJ schools opened up. Now their prices have come down a bit.
     
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    Ironically, what is likely the best Krav Maga school in my area...is also the cheapest....and what is more Krav Kwondo than Krav Maga...is the most expensive.
     
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    I was guest-training with an Arnis organization who did nothing but standing drills with their students. We did some sparring (stick only) at the end of the session and I noticed that nobody was closing distance at all. I've trained with some Dog Brother students who focus a lot on closing the distance so when I shot inside to do close stick fighting, it freaked the students out. Point being, if you are training with an instructor who uses real attacks with real movement, that's cool because you are training with a good Arnis instructor.
     
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    Cost proves nothing other than the bills behind it.
     
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    That's true!

    Yup my Kali instructor was really down to earth guy with realistic approach of training, same goes for my Silat teacher.
     

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