Judo or Wrestling?

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  1. gpseymour

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    Interesting viewpoint. I've always trained in a gi, and looked at where it's unrealistic (in the South, lots of t-shirts, so can't depend upon using the fabric for leverage, etc.), but there is the other side. You do have to be aware of how your own clothing could be used against you (and a gi is pretty near "worst case" for this, so a good training tool), and any kind of jacket or heavy shirt starts to give you many of the benefits of a gi, as far as leverage and firm purchase.
     
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    Tony's explanation is much clearer than reading the official rules would have been, anyway, JR.
     
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    Judo definitely has conditioning and cardio, but it can vary on the club and school (and maybe the physicality of the students). I started Judo recently, and its normal for us to stretch a good 10 minutes to begin class, do various breakfalls across the mat, shrimp on our backs across the mat, before getting into any specific instruction. Often class ends with some kind of cardio finisher. Working on techniques while moving around the mat with a partner (versus static) can be tiring. Judo can have people of all different ages and sizes though, so obviously some "go harder" than others. I find it to be a good workout but manageable, even if you aren't a super athlete (which I am certainly not).
     
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    Even if your cardio is not great now, you will get there. All you have to do is rest when you need it, even if that means 2 minutes into class. Over time you will notice you don't take a break until 4 minutes...then 6...then 10...and so on, until you get to a point where you might not need any at all.
     
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    I cannot disagree with you.

    My Judo comes from my self-defence training and from a few months of jiu-Jitsu. My Wrestling comes from a few months of MMA (which had also striking and BJJ classes, so MMA there was pretty much Wrestling for MMA).

    I believe my perception is valid for the experience I had. But no two schools are equal. And none of my training is from a 'pure' Judo or 'pure' Wrestling...
     
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    Every opinion, so long as it's an informed one, is equally valid imo. Yours is obviously informed.

    My wrestling experience is purely competitive wrestling. Training and coaching. If I was training or coaching it for MMA, it would probably have different elements to it. The only wrong approach would be training/coaching for the wrong application.
     
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    @whitebeltforever - what style wrestling was it, freestyle, Greco-Roman, or something else?

    Edit: You standing on one leg to avoid takedowns eliminates Greco-Roman from the list.
     
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    RE the O/P what I'd recommend is that you find yourself an old-school judo school, which doesnt' focus on going to tournaments. Tournament judo is where all the rules are going wack... find a Gentleman's Judo program, technically proficient, and a "Who gives a..." attitude about the current tournament rule structure. That's the ticket, IMO.
     
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    We did some things like that in the Hapkido I studied. We stretched for at least 10 minutes, then did cardio such as pushups, situps and fist clenching. It was sort of interspersed. Then we usually kicked for another 10-20 minutes, which was cardio and kick training, and mind training, then we studied techniques, which often included break falls. I don't recall doing cool down work after class, but we often did in the TKD I studied many years ago.

    Depending on the amount of students and the amount of time, kicking could be brutal. We would do all our basic kicks, then often be given a series of kicks, usually at least 10, that we individually were required to perform one right after the other, without making a mistake as to which kick was next in the series, kicking the focus pads as we went. Then run to the end of the line so we could do it again. Until you learned to keep all that in your mind, you didn't want to be first in line. :) And often after a couple of turns, the series would change. :eek:

    Fun, fun, fun.
     
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    As a baby judoka (three years in now), I say both are well-worth training. I'd be just as happy with wrestling (especially Catch Wrestling) if there was no Judo here.

    It is cool to learn how to use an opponent's clothes against them. Anything you can do to someone in a gi can be applied to a jean jacket or similar if self-defence is a goal. No leg grabs allowed in Judo these days though. We learn them for grading, but they're banned in competition.

    However, neither are really self-defence arts anymore. Finding an old school Judo dojo is a long shot, and finding a HEMA club that does old style kampfringen well is also unlikely. That being said, both Judoka (except me) and wrestlers are tough customers and can usually handle themselves well enough. Don't think that either will help you much against a knife attack though.

    And Judo is just a type of wrestling with a stout jacket on. There's some celtic jacket wrestling (Gouren, etc) that is fairly similar. It's not magic, just physics.
     
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    hi everyone, i am so grateful for all ur help! i think i have made the decision to actually not go try the judo class... i'm pretty certain i will like wrestling better... i dont think i want to be thrown from that high... lol... i also saw a 1.5 hour typical judo class on youtube where they just set up a camera and let it roll for the whole class and it reminded me very much of my karate days where there's about a million drills, preparations and things... which just doesnt make sense or work for my style of learning. and i know that someone here said (and i will reply individually) that in wrestling the learning style is kind of more you learn a few moves then lots of practice with less detailed technical explainations? i prefer that i think... and i really have alot of trouble with anything that coordinates the upper body/and limbs. in karate i couldn't really even get the basic blocks. i can maybe remember 1? and that was less than 2 years ago and i trained for around 3-4 months. i also don't want to be too straight and high up like alot of you have mentioned... i will def i think have trouble with the wrestling flips... but i'm not really wanting to train at any sort of competitive level. i also get the feeling that its slightly more casual learning culture in wrestling? like some of you have said about the japanese styles' culture being a little more ridgid?

    i'm pretty sure it was freestyle wrestling i did the other night. i really dont know how i will survive the warmups but the actual class content was more than managable.

    i am also a bit overwhelmed at the amount of things that i'm trying to do at once. bjj, muay thai, wrestling, weights... and i can kinda only do one thing per day and i need about at least 2 -3 days rest so i am running out of energy and time to try out new classes like the judo one at the other gym... i always hav this need to try everything before i "buy" but this time i'm really not sure if that's entirely neccesary? especially with so many of you saying that they are so similar? when i watched the 1.5 hour class on youtube i remember thinking that class just looks no fun at all... untill maybe the last 15mins... i'm sure every dojo is diff... but i think like many of you say, i will get lots of benefits if i do either.

    so ...yeah i think i will stick with the wrestling! thanks SO SO much everyone and pls continue the conversation if you like :) i always feel so lucky i found this group where i can access so many expert advice at my fingertips!!!!! thankuthankuuuu!
     
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    absolutely agree! if its no fun i wont do it x)
     
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    thanks for your reply! pls see my latest group reply... :)
    n haha ur welcome... :D i think wrestling is heaps fun so i am gona stick with that!!! x)
     
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    thanks for your reply! pls see my latest group reply... :)
     
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    ***********lolz at the "i'm not allowed to knife him in the throat" point!!! xD

    this was SERIOUSLY helpful thanks so much for your input!!
     
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    ***********thanks for your reply! pls see my latest group reply... :)
    really good point about the cardio!!! :D and yeah i really havent looked into it much but this coach is an international competitor from brasil. and i thought his coaching was good. are u in aus?
     
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    thanks for your reply and fantastic input! pls see my latest group reply... :)


     
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    thanks for your reply! pls see my latest group reply... :) your input was SO helpful thanks heaps!!!!
     
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    thanks for your reply! pls see my latest group reply... :) ur input was v helpful!!!

     

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