Jacob’s 2017 highlights

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  1. CB Jones

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    Again, I don’t have a problem with anyone criticing my son and pointing out that he drops his hands.

    I do think it is insulting to claim his instructor is clueless simply because my son has that habit.

    Just point out he needs to keep his hands up no need to make assumptions about his instructor.
     
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    Again I see nothing insulting about it. I'm clueless when it comes to point fighting strategy because I keep away from that side of things. Not everyone's great at everything and saying so isn't insulting. I don't understand why your so defensive about it. He's not talking about you or your kid
     
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    Another thing I noticed he does on the video bit forgot to mention it when he throws a sidekick when he brings it back and retreats he's almost turning his back on his opponent
     
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    It’s just kinda irks me.

    It’s a pet peeve of mine when people make blind assumptions about someone without any knowledge of that person.
     
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    Ok. I agree....will point that out to him.
     
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    He has taken karate classes for 8 years and he still doesn't hold his hands up, for me that's a reflection of teachings of his instructor
     
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    And you would be wrong.

    It is a reflection on my son and what he figured out works for him.

    If everyone at the dojo did this that would be a reflection on the instructor.
     
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    So dropping his hands works for him why? Getting his nose smashed?

    You can defend his instructor what he wants but he taught your son bad habits for 8 years long.....moneys worth......
     
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    Congratulations and you should be proud of him, it appears he has worked hard to get there and I am certain as time goes on he will continue improve through his hard work.
     
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    He relies more on his footwork and head movement to defend. And so far he hasn’t had his nose smashed.

    Again, he did not teach this. You have no idea what he teaches. You claiming he teaches that is completely false.
     
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    There are a lot of folks in the world who assume they know everything based on a YouTube Video they saw once and it has been my experience here on MT and other forums that there is no changing their mind, they know what they know whether they know it or not. So to argue the point is pointless IMHO.

    Your son will learn some things from his teacher and other things the hard way...like I did most of the time.....like a whole lot of martial artists do...we cannot all be as perfect some.
     
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    I am. I enjoy watching him compete.

    And he enjoys traveling and competing. He has made friends all over the country and this year became friends with a kid from Chile.
     
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    Let me give a perspective. Stances, movement and hand positions are specific to various forms of competitive sport fighting. As much as I preach "hands up", which is something I've taught, preached, screamed and punished-for-lack-of - the nuances of various sport competition, and in this particular case - sport, point fighting at a high level, tend to dictate to the high level competitors what they can and can't do. It's the nature of the game. And you learn that lickety split when you fight.....or you get beat quickly, hurt, or both.

    You guys know how many names I drop, how many folks I've trained under and fought with. While training with them, we boxed, kick boxed, fought points and worked self defense until we were blue in the face. And all of those guys, ALL of them, held their hands differently depending on the venue we were training at that particular time. [ALL of them]

    I sometimes still occasionally point fight in training, I do so with my friends' young students -because that happens to be what they're dong at the time, I stand in classic, point fighter's side stance. [which I find quite nostalgic, by the way] Do you think I'd ever be caught dead doing that while I box? Or kick box? Or train self defense? Or deal with aggressive jamokes that I deal with as a cop? Ahhh, no.

    No chance of that ever happening. Not chance one.

    Jacob isn't doing just well, that boy is kicking butt and taking names. His success is the result of his hard work, knowledge and training. And I have no doubt, none what-so-ever, that if he switched venues, his guard would adjust specifically to whatever venue he was pursing.

    Give that kid some big props from me. And keep keeping us posted over the years as to how he's doing.
     
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    I'm half and half in agreement because there's only so much an instructor can do if the kid won't listen but it's also his job to keep drilling it into the kid and give him reason to listen to him
     
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    C'mon 8 years........

    Anyways, this whole topic went as expected, let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya the american way.....:D
     
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    You're from The Netherlands, the kickboxing capital of the world. And I ain't kidding when I say that, it really is. But, you might never have studied any point sparring competitions for kids. But that's okay, it's probably not your thing.

    As for "sing kumbaya the american way", yeah, that's us, the most peaceful, serene country on earth. We're all about the Kumbaya. But you really shouldn't besmirch my Country, fella.
     
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    That makes sense.

    He can defend his groin and body from kicks better with his hands down but he is fast enough to see and defend against head strikes.

    I also think sometimes it’s harder for opponents to defend just because they don’t see the punches as well......I could be totally wrong about that...that’s just a guess.

    Anyways....it works for him.

    I just hope he sticks with MA. So far he loves competing so we are gonna keep rolling with it.
     
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    He has great footwork
     
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    Thanks. He didn’t have much of a choice learning how to move due to being short. Lol.
     
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    Always good to see your son's videos. His footwork is killing his opponents. And I don't know if it's just me, but compared to the first video that you showed it looks as if his opponents are trying to adopt his footwork or at least his movements. I only say this because their movement looks like the common bouncing that is done mixed with some indecisive movements that looks more like your son's movement. Your son looks more comfortable with his footwork now. I can see him using it to set people up vs just moving around.

    There is always room for improvement not so much for winning because it seems that he has that on lock, but I notices that he doesn't stay engaged after scoring. After he scores he just drops everything. He should at least keep his defense engaged and still block that incoming punch even though he has already scored. I know it's point sparring, but he really should use it as a opportunity to incorporate "full concepts" vs only doing enough for point sparring. This is something I see a lot where people get so specialized in point sparring that they drop the actual techniques and concepts of the Martial Arts system. In short. The point sparring looks nothing like the martial arts. It's an easy thing to fall into especially when a person does a lot of point sparring.

    There was always that one counter punch to his face that would have been devastating in a continuous sparring match. I say this from personal experience of eating a few of those punches until I finally learned and accepted that there is "always" another punch coming in at my face even when I disengage or finish a combo. Now when I spar I just automatically assume that a punch will come in after I throw my combo. If it doesn't come in, then I don't lose anything. If it does come in then I'm ready for it.
     
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