Interesting take on the first UFC

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  1. RTKDCMB

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    Interesting, but wildly inaccurate. Fast Billy has a long standing axe to grind concerning UFC 1.
     
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    Pretty sure the story of Royce using his gi to choke out Ken Shamrock was thoroughly debunked.
     
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    Man... I remember watching UFC 1. Seems like a lifetime ago.

    Wait... it was.
     
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    Would it matter if it was allowed?
     
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    It does to some, because they think that using the gi would mean that Royce cheated even though it was allowed.
     
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    The argument is that shamrock wasn't allowes his shoes because they were considered a weapon despite just being clothing, and then royce went around and used his own clothing as a weapon.

    For the record, I haven't watched OP's video yet, and really don't care if shamrock fan's complaints are legit, just stating the argument for those who don't know.
     
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    I'm not a shamrock or Gracie fan (ken not Frank. I actually like Frank) but the first UFCs were definitely made to help the Gracies so I can totally believe that claim
     
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    Yup. I would not be surprised to find out they gave shamrock a disadvantage in the fight. It just doesn't effect me all that much if they did or not. Especially if they had even the slightest concern that he would win.
     
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    What can you expect if one Gracie was organizer/promoter and second was participant? Especially if only the Gracies (and maybe Ken) had idea how the fights will probably look like. UFC was a part of Gracies business plan so the took care to minimaze the risk.
     
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    Of course they were. The only people who would deny this are Gracie-worshippers.

    That said, I can't say that them doing that was nefarious in any way. Royce could have very easily lost any of those matches, and if Rorian Gracie really wanted to ensure that they win out, he would have brought in Rickson instead of Royce. Further, it isn't like much changed in the next few UFCs after people knew what Royce was doing.
     

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