If BJJ is so effective, why isn't everybody doing it?

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  1. Dirty Dog

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    It's also pretty much completely irrelevant to what forms are used to teach.
     
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    Not if you understand forms.
     
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    A good form has to be fast, smooth, powerful, and most important with "flavor".

     
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    So although kata is not "martial arts dancing" it is judged exactly like dancing.
     
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    A good dancer needs to have flavor. A good form guy also needs to have flavor. You can do a good form with speed and power. But without flavor, it still can not be called as art.
     
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    That's not exactly comparing apples to apples though. Sparring a well trained striker is/can be exhausting. Staying on your guard, utilizing dynamic footwork, punching/kicking isn't a walk in the park. Getting nailed with a solid strike and enduring the pain to push forward is also a mental exercise as well as a physical one.

    Striking pads can be very exhausting when you have someone holding them who knows what they're doing. It's much more exhausting when you have a pad holder that knows how to establish a tempo, throw punches to be countered, moves to force you to use footwork, etc.
     
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    Have you seen those same people work hard for 3 hours straight at kata?

    Yes, you were exaggerating.
     
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    This was my point. Kata can be done vigorously. Even with my simple kata, I can break a sweat in 10 minutes. Probably about the same effort as technical rolling. Of course, it's entirely true that rolling hard (or sparring hard, or wrestling hard, etc.) is more demanding than any of the kata I've experienced. I can do kata hard (lots of intent, speed, etc.) for much longer than I can roll/spar/grapple at full capacity. But not for hours straight.
     
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    I can't disagree with any of that. Some of the guys I train with are pros and ex pros, we do lots of sparring and pad work. Striking is definitely my strongest game, and striking based training can get exhausting too.

    I maintain that rolling is a whole set of levels above that insofar as physicality is concerned though. Anyone that has done BJJ or wrestling at all will say the same.
     
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    On the wrestling mat, you don't have to worry about your opponent's fist breaks your nose. You don't get the "shirt catch on fire" feeling. It's much more relax to be on the wrestling mat than in the boxing ring.
     
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    I know guys who could cripple you wrestling.
     
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    Could you expand on this a bit? I think I know what you mean, but I want to be sure before responding.
     
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    It’s much more relaxing to be in the boxing ring where all they’re doing is trying to punch you with a fist rather than hit you with the entire planet (actually Judo line, but still applicable) and not squeeze the life out of you or bend you like a pretzel.

    Truth is, they both suck in their own special ways when you’re the one being beaten up on. And they’re both the best ever when you’re the guy that is able to do whatever you want to your opponent. Neither one is relaxing when you’re getting your a$$ kicked. Wrestling Aleksandr Karelin wouldn’t be any more relaxing than boxing Mike Tyson.
     
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    BJJ is much easier to practice at 100% then striking arts. I've studied BJJ for two years and various full-contact striking. Hard rolling in BJJ is much easier to control than a hard striking sparring session. Many injuries can arise from hard striking sessions for you can't simply tap before the injury takes place. The executed techniques(strikes) and injury happen nearly simultaneously.
     
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    That film was slightly sped up.
     
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    totally agree, but then you say something like this:
    which is just silly.
     
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    Until you get your neck cranked or something horrible.
     
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    It is. End of discussion. :)
     
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    It appears so.
     
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    Yeah. Does my head in.
     

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