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  1. gpseymour

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    The nails-and-rings thing is a huge consideration with short courses, and for SD training in general (for me, only the rings, since I require they cut their nails short). Punching someone while wearing thin rings is likely to be as damaging to the puncher as the punchee. With big, chunky rings, it's less of an issue. There may be bad bruising, but it's unlikely to affect them during the fight.
     
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    i think you inadvertently proved our point. from the women (there was a guy fight with punches) 99 % were not punches but hammer fists. different mechanics different strike. i was advocating to teach that exact strike, the hammer fist and i believe Juany was as well. it is a natural instinctual weapon and takes no training to do but training will make it better. you cannot show a video full of hammer fists to prove a point about boxing style punches.
     
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    i couldnt even watch it !!! this is everything that makes my head explode. ill have a brain aneurysm just from the typed font and the guy talking on what to do.
     
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    Stuff like this makes me start to rant like @drop bear. And that's his job, damnit!
     
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    True. The idea is to get them to think about it. Since the University is an "island" in a not so great City, and the Grad student housing is an apartment complex off Campus, I am hoping that will "click" for them more easily than with others.
     
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    Some things (like this), part of what I want to do is "give them permission" to follow this instinct. I hope it feels somewhat less foolish when they've been told it's a good idea, so they're less inhibited about crossing the street when something looks off.
     
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    That fights are decided with who broke their hands and couldn't continue.

    No I think that is blatant fantasy.

    And juanny wants to do palm strikes because apparently you can't break your hand. Which is also fantasy.
     
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    He did clarify that he was talking specifically about fights that included a hand injury. I've not seen much evidence either way. I suspect some hand injuries are "game over" for some people, but not all, and some people seem to be less limited by them. Probably a difference in pain tolerance and experience with pain.
     
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    I wouldn't change a fighting system to accommodate someone's personal idiocy. What if they have high heels? Well we had just better change the course.

    You would wind up compromising yourself in to nothing.
     
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    Going to suggest head injury is a greater deciding factor. And if you are not causing any you are going to have a bad day.
     
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    You teach what's likely to help the audience, not what you want to teach. If some are likely to wear small rings and have long nails, you don't teach them something that makes those a bigger liability.

    Same for teaching what folks can learn quickly, when they aren't likely to train long-term.
     
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    Most folks aren't going to hit hard enough to cause head injury after a total of a few hours of training, unless they were already hitting hard coming in.
     
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    And open hand is only going to make that harder to achieve.
     
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    Of course that system that will work without any time, ajustment and effort.

    I love those.

     
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    Hey look revisionist history. I said untrained punching risks injury to hands. When people have injured their hands they lose.

    You then show a video claiming it proves that punches are dangerous BUT 99% of the strikes aren't punches. So the fantasy is yours.
     
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    Since you like videos so much though here is a video where some MMA people with far more knowledge than us prove my point.

    Bas saying a trained fighter against ONE opponent should punch for body shots but decribes how he gets knock outs and why punches to the head are dangerous...



    And this is his partner speaking to why you need to condition your hands...



    There are many others btw. If you want to say Bas is clueless, good luck with that.

    So MMA guys also talking about the danger of punches to the heah, and if you are going to do it condition. Something a short self defense course doesn't allow for.
     
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    Not so long as they are unable to use a fist well. A really bad and weak punch is far worse than a halfway decent slap.
     
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    I’m not even sure what you’re on about now.
     
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    Or a solid palm strike.
     
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    Apologies the first video I linked above was somehow broken. Here is one with sound..

     
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