I feel like a ... woman???

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  1. shesulsa

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    I just watched the news tonight where Jeff Gianola, our fantabulous anchorman here in Portland ****ing Oregon and Vancouver Not BC, Washington Not DC announced a story on pole dancing for fitness. The quote of one woman struck a nerve in me; she said, "You just feel like a woman!"

    :soapbox:

    Okay. If I want to feel slutty (but in a good way), I might get a pole and learn to dance for the old man. And I don't necessarily have a problem with it.

    What bothers me is the way she put it and the message it sent to ... my daughter (who was watching at the time) and other people (not just girls) watching. A woman is equated with slithering on a pole? Is this why men are so disappointed to find out that women age and sag and nag just like they do?

    What about guys? Do they get to slither on the pole too? Will it make them feel like a woman? gay man? Chippendale's dude slut?

    Don't get me wrong, I have my fair share of ... tantalizing acoutrements ... but they don't make me feel like a *woman* per se.

    What does being a woman mean to you ladies?
     
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    I've seen this before. I'm sure it motivates someone to exercise, and that's good. But I agree that even Tae Bo sends a better (if possibly misleading) message. I wouldn't want my daughter to watch that story and think, That's what I'm expected to want to do.

    I doubt it's very popular in reality. In the media, Sex Sells.
     
  3. Kacey

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    Well, being a woman and being sexy can be synonomous, but they don't have to be. Certainly, I feel like a woman at times that I am decidedly not feeling sexy. As far as the incident that sparked this question, were it me, I'd be contacting the station to tell them why I was switching stations, and letting them know how many other people I had shared that opinion with, and why.
     
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    ya know, i had a conversation just last weekend with a pole dance instructor. i'd never heard of this before, but she was really very passionate about it, kept comparing it to belly dancing and pointing out the difference between erotica and pornography..

    she seemed like a really together woman (also a boxer and a womens' sd teacher). but when she first mentioned it, i did a serious double-take
     
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    I have to admit I have never really thought about what it meant to be a woman, to me it is just something I am, a part of the whole....and I don't think pole dancing is going to make me feel more like a woman...
     
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    Whatever. Personally, I don't want to understand that mindset. I have my daughter in Kempo, and try to cultivate strength and confidance in her without associating it to gender; to me, poledancing and 'karate bunnies/barbie' are no different.

    Go-ju. hard/soft...something for everyone.
     
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    As someone who prefers to go throuigh life unabashedly and unapologetically male, I would rarely find myself discouraging women from throwing on something slinky and slithering on a pole. Oh, wait a minute....that's only partly true.

    In my time as a bouncer working in gentlemans clubs, I don't think I ever met a woman who was there as a dancer because she wanted to be, or because it made her feel sexy. The vast majority were single mothers; college gorls trying to make ends meet; recent divorce's who were being left out in the cold on alimony and chile support; and just happened to be hot enough and willing to make an income this way. Some were pretty serious user-addicts, and some were even ladies of the night, using the locations to scope out clients. We generally tried to screen out these latter, as they had a tendency to create more visits from Vice to the clubs.

    There is a major difference between erotica and porn, and I don't even think all porn is innately bad; there are some excellent literary works that are classified as pornographic, and some intriguing art and photography that also would be classified as pornography. So what I don't like is the glamorization and desensitization of a medium typically used to degrade women from person to object, and it's use in context as a means to define/redefine what a woman is.

    Whenever I hear things of this sort, I'm always tempted to be a biologically-based smart aleck..."Last time you looked in the mirror, did you see any male plumbing? No? Then what, other than a woman, have you felt like lately? A man? A sea otter or shrubbery? And do you need to speak with a mental health professional about this?"

    Regards,

    Dave
     
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    I really don't understand statements like those made by the practitioner of the pole dancing.

    I always 'feel like a woman', whether I am baking or sparring.

    Sad that she needs outside affirmation of her femininity, but if it floats her boat...:idunno:
     
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    Yes, but perhaps if you tried baking in a merry widow and thigh high leather boots with 8" stiletto heels while intermittently stopping to do a pole twirl, you might feel like MORE of a woman.

    Ah. Mebbe not.

    D.
     
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    Hey! I've done pole dancing. I was crap admittedly, and horribly drunk in a place once known as the Kitten Club. We were regulars while I was in the RN. Then I stopped wasting my money on these women that earned in a night what I did a week. Some earned in a night what I did in a month. Fair play to them.

    Although, that said, if either my daughter or step daughter wanted to pole dance professionally, I'd not be overly impressed.
     
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    I saw something like this brought up on t.v. earlier in the year. Hard to believe, isn't it? "It makes me feel like a woman!" Yeah, ok... Pole- dancing... Strip clubs... My 11 year old neice coming up to my brother (her dad) saying, "Daddy! Can I join pole dancing lessons?"
     
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    I think what define you as a woman is you own sense of style, persona, and what you feel defines you.
     
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    I can cook and split wood, and I always feel like a woman. Keep those toenails polished and use perfume, and thank goodness I don't drive like a man! Couldn't afford that kinda insurance.
     
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    HEY!! If you don't like my driving the get off the sidewalk!

    (ok not to hi-jack the thread)

    Personally I find the statement, and the whole segment to be really disheartening when it comes to the media. That really isnt the message that should be sent out to the general public (or anyone at all for that matter). I think its a completely bass ackwards way of encouraging exercise. It seems to make exercise become synonomous with 'looking good' instead of being healthy.
     
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    :erg::rofl:
     
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    Very True..I ran one of those clubs for a time...It was just a job to them..
     
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    I find it funny. Going to the gym is boring so I think women are thinking up ways to make it more exciting. Personally, I think they would be better off if they studied belly and hula dancing. Most of the "stripper" moves from strip cardio and books like "The S Factor" are really nothing more than belly dance or hula dancing but done to a different type of music.
     
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    That is a fantastic idea. Plus belly dancing and hula dancing looks like its a heckuva lot of fun!
     
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    Belly dancing is very, very strenuous. You will be sore in places you didn't realize you had.
     
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    So I wasn't GOING to post... I'm so friggin oppinionated I find it better if I refrain but I couldn't so...

    This practice is OLD it goes back to the womens movement (long before that in other movements) the problem is people don't see it for what it is anymore.

    The practice is called taking the power and such rallying cries are,

    Burn the Bra!
    Down with the Man!
    Damn right I'm a ******!

    Each one of these is trying to do the same thing which is essentially take something that is power for one group and move the power by embracing it to the oppressed group.

    So when a person says, "This makes me feel like a woman." they are really saying, 'I can do this and I can feel sexy and it doesn't matter what men think.'

    Now that doesn't mean they are ALL doing tha and in fact that could be a very confused girl that thinks being a woman means being a sex object :(.

    I've seen grandmothers doing the striper aerobic workout and having a blast. When I Asked them what was so fun they responded with, "When we were young we wanted to believe we could do these things but thought it was wrong. Now I'd like to see someone tell me its wrong now!" (That was as she called herself, "Granny E."

    So while you can disagree with the message I would like to take a moment to see if we truely understand what the message is?

    Now I didn't see the show and I haven't been follwing the Stripper Pole Movement (even tho there was a pre-teen toy made for this I kid you not).

    On the surface it appears to be an empowering by embracement movement. Then again it could be the Christinia Agulara / Britney Spears / Paris Hilton its good to be a slut message. That message is no good :)

    --The ever Oppinionated
    --The ever Supplicated
    --Infy
     

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