Ok, let me try to explain it this way. For those of you who do FMA you may get my point and the purest EPAK guys may not. FMA guys spar all day long and they use there techniques that they were taught and practise when they spar. They learn how to counter and re conter there own techniques and make them work under stress and a RESISTANT OPPONET. What I am asking to see it someone in EPAK use there techniques that we all practise (i.e. 5 Swords Deflecting hammer) when we spar and please dont give me that bs about I would hurt my opponet. What are the 7 things that you can do to a technique? Every time I see a EPAK guy spar he looks just like the sport karate guy or a TKD guy. Are ANY of the techniques that we practise ever used at all? If not then why in the hell are we spending countless hours doing them? I am sure that someone is going to say something about the EPAK sparring techniques but the case it still the same. What I do not love is this ridiculas way we "black belts train". We stand in a line and do techniques to each other and one guys beat the crap out of the other guy and the other guy just stands there and lets him. Well, I don't know about you but anyone try's thundering hammers on me I am not just going to let him do that. Our beloved EPAK is not so superior that it can not be countered and we never train for that. Look I am just trying to learn how to apply the wonderful arts that I have been doing since 1991. It is time we evolve and leant how to apply EPAK and not just run techniques lines when we know the attack and know that our opponet is going to let us do out beloved 5 Swords.