Holms vs Cyborg

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  1. Buka

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    Chris Cyborg vs Holly Holm

    This could be a real barn burner. Could be a quick fight, too. Sure going to be fun to watch.

    It got me to thinking....if Holly Holm wins, which I sure wouldn't bet on, but if she does, looking back at her overall career in kickboxing, boxing and MMA, if she beats Cyborg, does that make Holm the best woman fighter of all time? If not the best, the most successful?
     
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    Always going to pick against cyborg because I can't wait for someone to put down that obvious steroid cheat. And tbh she already is the only champion boxer to win a ufc title. Beat rousey when it was meant to be impossible, she got screwed in her last title shot by another cheat and was winning against Tate before she got submitted.
     
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    Holly is better looking. Does anything else matter?
     
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    Should be a good fight.
     
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    Holly Holm is what MMA needs right now. She's dedicated, highly skilled and most importantly humble. Having someone like her that embodies all the values of traditional martial arts is a breath of fresh air.
     
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    I'm not sure MMA needs her, but I do. For every reason you mentioned.
     
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    I know I am looking forward to this fight!
     
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    Yeah but the thing is that doesn't sell. People don't care about that stuff. These days what sells is guys making themselves look like idiots and acting like school kids that's what the ufc has become these days. Holm is probably one of the more decent people on the roster and I truly hope she beats that steroid cheat
     
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    Looks like she's put on a fair bit of size for this fight
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    There are many MMA fans that care about that stuff. There's seems to be a disconnect between what the UFC thinks what fans want and want fans actually want. Couture vs Liddell sold plenty of tickets without either acting like buffoons. Why? Because fans knew they were going to see two elite fighter compete against eachother.

    There are plenty of fighters that act like buffoons on their own without any encouragement. However; I'm sure the UFC encourages some of them to act that way to "sell" the fight. Holms embodies a lot of the TMA values. Her competing in the UFC is a great way to show you don't have to act like a disrespectful buffoon if you're a top tier fighter.
     
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    The problem is these days idiots like mcgregor bring in a lot more idiot fans and yes some do want proper martial arts but these days it's overshadowed by them and frankly it's always been that way but even more so now. Tito Ortiz used to sell a lot for his idiot says as did guys like ken shamrock, Brock Lesnar, ronda rousey.

    Look at guys like demetrious Johnson the best in the world easily pound for pound number 1 or 2 (I give gsp number 1) but dana white treats him like trash and doesn't get a lot of numbers from fans because he doesn't act like a idiot.
     
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    Also thing is I know dana white doesn't like her. He constantly trash talked her for not waiting for a fight with rousey instead of fighting the number one contender straight away. Thing is she gets these shots because really there's not a lot of options in women's mma right now and really If we're honest she shouldn't be getting a shot because she's only won 1 fight after losing 3 in a row but she's still a great fighter and great person who I hope smashes that cheat cyborg
     
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    trash talking sells tickets. thats not a UFC thing its a fan thing. we are the ones who buy the tickets. Conner gets a percent of the sales, he is doing something right.
     
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    Tbh trash talks puts me off fights more than it hypes them up for me. Like diaz and mcgregor 2 with all the nonsense that had gone on between them I was bored of it by the time the fight came round
     
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    Not all fans buy the tickets because of the trash talking though. Opposed to coming up with great marketing campaigns they rather the fighters just insult each other because it's easier. There's also UFC fighters that the UFC just doesn't like, thus they won't market them appropriately.
     
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    No but it's also no coincidence that some of the biggest selling fights of all time are grudge matches
     
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    We'll find out soon enough. Really hoping holm gets it
     
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    Just not feeling this card....I think I'm going to pass on it.
     
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    I think it's a great card. Carlos condit who's always exciting win or lose. Barboza vs khabib 2 extremely talented fighters in different areas and holm and cyborg the biggest and best fight in the women's division
     
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    Should be a great fight!
     

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