First, I would like to say congratulations to those GM Atillo promoted and or recognized. Second, I would like to say that I have never said to not train with GM Atillo and to find out what he has to offer and to learn from him. I have stated that he has posted incorrect statements on his website in the past. He made things up. Sometimes I think facts associated with his father have been associated with him. In other cases he either is not remembering them correctly or is just making them up. I have had this discussion before, with students of Dr Barber. There argument was that FMA is a verbal history and one needs to look at the verbal history. I countered with, I agree that it is mostly verbal history and when you have multiple lineages/groups who tell similar "stories" of what happened and they have an 85 to 95 percent commonality and the 5 to 15 percent are point of view statements that are neutral or do not contradict that data in the story, then this is a good way to use verbal history to validate. Yet, when one and only one source constantly has different stories and different data, and those stories and data keep changing then the disagreements occur. So if we go back to my first point, that GM Atillo has something to offer, then why does he need to re-write the verbal history to fit his needs? In one online discussion, I was told it was ok for GM Atillo to tell these tales as he was an old man telling the tales to his nephews and students. What is that harm in this? I cannot remember what exactly I replied with. I do know I made the point that if others did then this it escalates and people get upset and then not only disagreements, but possible fights could occur. The students of Dr Barber also tried to use published sources to make their point. This is good way to make a valid point as long as the published source is vetted. Also one cannot with any integrity publish something or give an interview to someone else to publish and the use that as your published source to back up your statements. This is a circular argument. With the published web announcement by Dr Barber and the allusion that the Saavedra's trained Atillo directly is just another attempt at trying to make it sound like Atillo's version is correct. I understand the process and that if they get enough false information out there, then it becomes the truth. As Perception is Reality.