I'd maybe point your research in the direction of Yoshinkan Aikido - a school of Aikido created back in the 50's by Gozo Shioda. Thinking of a "hard Style" of Aikido, Yoshinkan would be the first thing to spring to mind since it focuses more on the practical application of the technique and less of O' Sensei's spiritual aspects.beau_safken said:
Yes indeed - though it depends on how far off the Aikido shores you want to push yer boat [as it were!!]mrhnau said:
MartialIntent said:
Our style [Shodokan] IS Tomiki style - Kenji Tomiki, favored student of O' Sensei being the founding father of the style. Some folk opt to take his name as the name of the style instead of the name "Shodokan" which he gave to his art.jujutsu_indonesia said:
Why is Nihon Goshin not "aikido" in your opinion? The techniques are very similar to those of many of the Ueshiba styles, the concepts of blending, redirection and energy control are the same. Any striking or kicking is coincidental to the atemi needed to help the technique along. No, NGA isn't big on the spiritual side of aikido, more on the self defense at all costs side, I think. Is that why you don't consider it aikido; the lack of meditation and spirituality in training? Or is it because it doesn't trace it's line back to O'Sensei? I hope my tone is not coming across is crass or obnoxious. I'm genuinely interested in why NGA seems to be an outcast among the "hombu" crowd.MartialIntent said:
OK, first off apologies for any offense caused by the subjectivity of my post. Sincerely, none is intended. You're right this is snobbery, there's no other word for it, but for me, it's because NGA is not part of the Ueshiba legacy - Shodokan / Tomiki, Yoshinkan etc. that have a traceable connection to the founding father and added to that, the lack - or wilful omission - of Ueshiba's philosophy of peace and harmony from NGA - which I feel is central to the workings of the entire art - those two things taken together imHo, make NGA a separate and distinct art from Aikido as taught by O'Sensei.theletch1 said:
Absolutely no apologies needed. I gave up being offended at not being part of the hombu group around the time I realized that I loved the NGA style. Your response was exactly what I've thought about my art from time to time when I've had the opportunity to train with hombu folks before. I've often wondered why we didn't call ourselves aiki-jujitsu instead of aikido but that hasn't hampered my desire to continue to train.MartialIntent said:
I think that's it in a nutshell - we all practise our art because it's the one that fits us best and the one that gives us as individuals the most benefit. You're right, in that what it's called is almost a side-issue if 1). it works and 2). we enjoy doing it.theletch1 said:
I read somewhere once that "We destroy what we fear and fear what we do not understand." Good luck on your research and feel free to PM me with any questions I can be of assistance on.MartialIntent said:So now you've got me thinking a bit more about NGA, I'm off to do some more research
Respects!
MartialIntent said:
Dojo immediately. Too bad there are none in indonesia. (There was one, led by Shimizu Toshio sensei, but it was in the 70s.. )
Please don't be sorry, I wasn't rattling my sabre or anything!!jujutsu_indonesia said:
In all honesty the term Tomiki Aikido is probably more widely used than Shodokan. You have a very wide knowledge of the art. My respects to you! Yes the 8 techniques from the koryu goshin no kata are regularly practised, though generally - for grading at least - only at dan grade and above.jujutsu_indonesia said:
I am certainly familiar with Dr Lee, Ah Loi. I have attended the Yawara Centre in London only once so can claim no great knowledge of this greatly respected lady. And just to support your earlier post, the good doctor has an excellent book that you're probably familiar with also "Tomiki Aikido, Randori and Koryu no Kata" [note, that's NOT Shodokan!!!]jujutsu_indonesia said:
