I love a good Judo gi, and often drool over some of the cool BJJ gi's out there (mostly thanks to BJJHQ). But they have one thing I really don't like about them: those danged stuffed lapels. This is advertised as a feature in many BJJ uniforms. And for competition, it is. For both Judo and BJJ competition, having a thicker lapel means it's harder for your opponent to use it against you (harder to grip). But I don't care about that. I'm more interested in having to defend against those grips, than about avoiding them via fabric. I want a gi like the one I used when I trained Judo 30+ years ago. It was a pebble-weave (like the one I wear now, though possibly less thick), and the collar was relatively thick, but just because it was made of heavy fabric (and apparently, folded no more than the lightweight Karate gi's I've also trained in). So it was easy to grip. Do such things still exist?