Good arts for getting to your gun

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  1. lklawson

    lklawson Senior Master

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    No. You are deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote in order to "win" an argument. It's juvenile and petty.
     
  2. lklawson

    lklawson Senior Master

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    Well gee willikers Beav, I know a lot of LEO in Judo. I've seen many in Karate, TKD, and Aikido too. :p

    Still doesn't mean you know jack about "gun grappling."
     
  3. drop bear

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    You are going from no content argument to no content argument.(all generalisations and dogma) You havent made an argument anybody needs to "win" at the moment. You have just been incorrect.

    Which I have been pointing out.
     
  4. drop bear

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    So is any of that police work?

    Why are they doing those styles?
     
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    Correct. But isnt going to happen because of the entrenched positions of the gun authority.

    You are never going to be able to mesh them together properly.
     
  6. gpseymour

    gpseymour Sr. Grandmaster

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    I’ve seen people from both sides work at it. It can be done, and is more often than you think.
     
  7. lklawson

    lklawson Senior Master

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    Look, you've claimed that your experience and expertise in more generalized grappling gives you special insight and ability in gun-grappling areas such as when to draw, how to draw, how to maintain control of the firearm during a draw, retention, etc. But it is not so. You're wrong in the claim and either don't know you're wrong, even after being corrected, or you just refuse to admit it.

    Your claims that the skill transfers are, at best, greatly exaggerated. Some of them can transfer but it needs training and refinement specific to the task. Apparently this is training and refinement specific to the task which you lack, or at least have not net admitted to actually acquiring.

    That's the short and long of it. Generalized grappling skill does not give automatic skill in firearms retention, draw, or removal. It's as simple as that.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled blathering.
     
  8. lklawson

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    Horsecrap. The people in "entrenched positions of gun authority" ARE doing grappling and merging it with firearms.

    This is how I know you are just arguing to try to "win" an argument. If you knew anything about the subject, you'd know how common it is. Heck, even if you just did a simple web search you'd get immediate hits.

    The two most common bases for "gun grappling" are BJJ and Judo but there's a smattering of other stuff such as Aikido or FMA.

    Here's two super-quick hits that I ran across in the last week or two without even trying.

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    Turns out that people "entrenched positions of gun authority" have been merging grappling with gun-handling, professionally, since prior to WWII. Fairbairn, considered one of the Fathers of modern "Combatives" (which includes pistol handling and hand-to-hand) was a Nidan in Judo by 1931 with certificates signed by Kano himself (who would have been 70 at the time).

    Your claims are based on incorrect, uninformed, assumption, not fact, are false from the start and easily debunked with a basic google search.
     
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    Not a big fan of ankle holsters except for a backup weapon. Even sitting down a IWB holster is gonna be easier to access and easier to conceal the draw.
     
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    You claim was you know a cop.
     
  11. drop bear

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    You mean this course?
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    I am your sabum.
     
  12. drop bear

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    Not generally from industry trainers though. Sometimes but not often.

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  13. lklawson

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    I know many. Still irrelevant to your claims.
     
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    I doubt it. He doesn't look anything like Fairbairn.

    I knew you were TKD.
     
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    Based on?
     
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    And I know I am harping on PPCT. But this one was just too epic to let slide.



    No that was not an enter the dojo parody. That is real.
     
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  18. lklawson

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    So you have no direct experience with "industry trainers," don't know which ones are considered legitimate within the industry, or even what is considered legitimate training. Yet your opinion is supposed to be valid?

    Not so much.
     
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    um maybe because they are people just like the rest of us and enjoy it.
     
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  20. drop bear

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    Which is what the PPCT guy said. When I said his stuff doesn't work.
     

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