Freestyle vs. Taekwon-do

CB Jones

Senior Master
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
3,938
Reaction score
2,013
Location
Saline
Its just tough to find competition for females due to lack of participation in Kyu ranks.
 
OP
A

Azulx

Black Belt
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Messages
659
Reaction score
215
Its just tough to find competition for females due to lack of participation in Kyu ranks.

Yeah , it's always usually pretty small divisions, 4 competitors max.
 
OP
A

Azulx

Black Belt
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Messages
659
Reaction score
215
Thats why we need to get ya'll to Worlds where there is better turnout. ;)
We've been strongly considering joining the USKA, we've been very impressed with the quality of practitioners, and overall organization during tournaments. We'll figure out a way to get to Worlds.
 

CB Jones

Senior Master
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
3,938
Reaction score
2,013
Location
Saline
We've been strongly considering joining the USKA, we've been very impressed with the quality of practitioners, and overall organization during tournaments. We'll figure out a way to get to Worlds.

I think you would get a lot of benefit from it. Just from the standpoint of support from the other schools and black belts.. The Dupaquiers, Efflers, Scott, Buster, Rodney, etc...are good people. From what I've seen the org. really tries to support each other.

And the Dupaquiers, Rodney, and Buster have experience in University clubs as well.
 

Headhunter

Senior Master
Joined
Aug 26, 2016
Messages
4,765
Reaction score
1,598
Just clarification, #1 in points...not ranked.

Its a very small division. Sadly its hard to get adult females to compete in sparring.
And that's another issue I have with these comps. Saying she's national number 1 or whatever sounds great but if you're ranked number 1 out of 5 people that's not as great as it sounds
 

Headhunter

Senior Master
Joined
Aug 26, 2016
Messages
4,765
Reaction score
1,598
Ahh okay , I think Rachel is great. Point Sparring is not the best definer of skill. I have been pretty impressed with her the last couple times I've seen her.
Well maybe she is but that fight certainly didn't show it in my opinion
 

CB Jones

Senior Master
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
3,938
Reaction score
2,013
Location
Saline
@Azulx

Also, you might want to try coming up to Ruston for state and regionals. It might be a good road trip for your students.

Usually those two tournaments have a lot of college students in the beginner and intermediate divisions that your students could compete against.

The students are given the choice to compete or write a term paper for their final.
 

Buka

Sr. Grandmaster
Staff member
MT Mentor
Joined
Jun 27, 2011
Messages
13,001
Reaction score
10,531
Location
Maui
My Senior Student (Green Belt/Blue Gear) in the Finals against a Freestyle Martial Art Practitioner. Let me know what you think, any feedback and comments are welcome!



She also got 1st place in Forms


Thanks for Watching!

She had herself a good day. :) Nice presentation of her Kata, nice job in Kumite. Great job all around. Keep pushing her, bro.
 

Flying Crane

Sr. Grandmaster
Joined
Sep 21, 2005
Messages
15,263
Reaction score
4,974
Location
San Francisco
And that's another issue I have with these comps. Saying she's national number 1 or whatever sounds great but if you're ranked number 1 out of 5 people that's not as great as it sounds
I once competed in a “world championship” tournament in China, forms competition. There were 19 in my division if I remember correctly. I placed fifth, and got... a silver medal.

Life can be silly. I remind myself to just roll with it.
 

JR 137

Grandmaster
Joined
Apr 26, 2015
Messages
5,162
Reaction score
3,224
Location
In the dojo
And that's another issue I have with these comps. Saying she's national number 1 or whatever sounds great but if you're ranked number 1 out of 5 people that's not as great as it sounds
When I was in grad school, Canisius College down the road from us cut a lot of sports from their athletic program. One sport that they didn’t cut was synchronized swimming. We were pretty perplexed by that one... cut football, but keep synchronized swimming? Their justification was they were the number 3 team in the country. I was the only one with enough sense to look up how many NCAA Div 1 teams there are, as I wondered how popular that sport truly is...

3 NCAA Div 1 synchronized swimming teams at that time. Yeah, go ahead, brag about being number 3 in the country. I could see if they said cutting it would kill the sport; I wouldn’t have a single issue with that. But say you’re keeping them because they’re number 3?

Colleges are pretty stupid. I should know, I worked for many of them and graduated from a few too.
 

marques

Master Black Belt
Joined
Jun 7, 2015
Messages
1,187
Reaction score
382
Location
Essex, UK
Regarding the first video, some nice moves from one side. But something there (style or rules or level or...) make both seem harmless. Anyway, I believe it was a good experience for both sides.
 

JowGaWolf

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Aug 3, 2015
Messages
14,094
Reaction score
6,006
My Senior Student (Green Belt/Blue Gear) in the Finals against a Freestyle Martial Art Practitioner. Let me know what you think, any feedback and comments are welcome!



She also got 1st place in Forms


Thanks for Watching!
Congrats on having such a talented student. I like the control in the sparring, she didn't turn it into a game of tag even though she was better skilled than her opponent. She had good timing with the techniques that she was doing. There was actual decision making going on vs trying to go at blinding speed in hopes for a tap. Point sparring has become more of a race than "what technique can I do if someone does this." She used patience and didn't try to force the technique. That's rare period regardless of skill level. You can look at her opponent and you can see her opponent try to force the techniques in hopes of landing.

Not sure how long you have been teaching her but I could have sworn that one of her kicks looks like something I've seen you do in one of your sparring videos. Even though your student was much better, she didn't waste the opportunity to develop. She should become really good as long as she doesn't turn her point sparring into a game of Advanced Tag. The biggest thing that I noticed is that she seems to trust her techniques. If you watch the other girl you can see that she threw her kicks as if she didn't trust the kick.

As long as she gets better at what she just did, then she should be able to do the same thing to faster opponents who may have a higher skill than her. She would only need to adjust her timing to match a better opponent, but theoretically if you can land slow stuff, then you should be able to land faster versions of it. The only thing that should change is the timing and the ability to recognize the movements of someone who is faster.

he sparring video is not the best video to receive any type of relevant feed back . Here is a video of her sparring the USKA's number 1 nationally ranked Kyu Rank:
My original comments stand. She looked a little rattled in that second video and it look like she was trying to "not hurt" her opponent. She stayed calmed but appeared to be intimidated. Fast punches can sometimes appear to be harder than what they are. To give you an example, I've been able to make students "Turtle" simply by moving faster. Even if I didn't hit them, the speed registered as a danger of being hit hard. Even in the video it appeared that her opponent was about to land power punches but, they weren't power punches. This is the hump that she has to get over. Don't be intimidated by the speed. It takes time and it should go away once she gets used to fast people striking her.

1. Don't be intimidated by speed
2. Speed does not mean power. Learn to generate, separate and combine speed and power at will.

Other than that I like what I saw in both video. Some the changes will come from her growth as a martial artist. Continuous sparring may help to speed up her growth, but don't take my word on it. It just depends on the student. Students and kids at my school used to spar against larger students, higher skilled adults, and instructors. The downside is that they rarely landed a lot of punches in comparison. The good news is that it was challenging enough to make them better than people on their same skill level. Sort of like if you want to beat people on your level, then spar against people who are above your level. You may never "win" but you'll be better than those who are on your level. It only works for students who don't mind "losing" and care more about "learning."


GOOD POINTS
1. Like in the beginning she didn't bounce. She was able to get out of range without excessive movement.
2. She made her opponent miss a lot. Once she learns angles she'll be able to really land points. She took a lot of hits simply because she went backwards. The rule that I follow and teach is. Basically: Go back once. If they give chase, then go back again and then cut an angle to the side or 45 degree angle forward. These are difficult things to do, more so the 45 degree forward, but when when you get it, you'll be able to counter.

Go backwards, or "backpedaling" is only good for a couple of steps when you are being pressed. You can probably get more out of it if you have space and enough distance to begin with, but I personally wouldn't do it more than a couple of steps. For me "backpedaling" is good for the " Oh Sh*z" moments where you need to create distance really quick, but it's the angle cut that actually gets you out of harms way. Headhunter has video of his son doing this. His son is good with the angles and you can clearly see in those videos of how the angles mess up the opponent's plan of attack.
 

JowGaWolf

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Aug 3, 2015
Messages
14,094
Reaction score
6,006
my god I'm glad I keep away from point fighting that was sloppy as hel
Unfortunately that's one of the drawback of most point sparring. You can afford to be sloppy in areas that would normally result in being physically punished for being sloppy.
 

Kung Fu Wang

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
14,136
Reaction score
4,572
Location
Austin, Tx/Shell Beach, Ca
Unfortunately that's one of the drawback of most point sparring.
The day when I pulled my punch just few inches away from my opponent's face but my opponent didn't, that was the last time that I had done any point sparring. IMO, the more that you do point sparring, the more bad habit that you may develop.
 

CB Jones

Senior Master
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
3,938
Reaction score
2,013
Location
Saline
The day when I pulled my punch just few inches away from my opponent's face but my opponent didn't, that was the last time that I had done any point sparring. IMO, the more that you do point sparring, the more bad habit that you may develop.

I disagree

Do you pull all your punches while training? Hanging bags?

That just seems weird that in a fight with adrenaline pumping...you would pull your punch like in competition. Typically we see the opposite....people forgetting to pull their punch.
 

CB Jones

Senior Master
Joined
Feb 20, 2017
Messages
3,938
Reaction score
2,013
Location
Saline
Go backwards, or "backpedaling" is only good for a couple of steps when you are being pressed. You can probably get more out of it if you have space and enough distance to begin with, but I personally wouldn't do it more than a couple of steps. For me "backpedaling" is good for the " Oh Sh*z" moments where you need to create distance really quick, but it's the angle cut that actually gets you out of harms way.

When it comes to working with my son's movement... we look at movement as a clock face. The only time he is to move to 6 o'clock is if he is stepping or leaning back from a kick or punch with the intent of exploding back forward (12 o'clock) following the arm or leg as they retract it with a return combination. His instructor drills this at the dojo and also a friend drills this in his seminars.

All other times, movement should be from 4 to 7 o'clock to create angles.

We also work on him moving around changing directions but maintaining the spacing of "skip in kick" range. Against very stationary opponents, he uses alot of "skip in" and feint and then exit just to mix the timing up and create angles when they try to "time" him.

Against more aggressive opponents, he has a lot of success creating good attack angles just by moving one or two steps at 2-4 or 8-10 o'clock every time his opponent steps forward. It just puts him a little ahead in timing as his opponent has to re-orient.
 

Headhunter

Senior Master
Joined
Aug 26, 2016
Messages
4,765
Reaction score
1,598
I disagree

Do you pull all your punches while training? Hanging bags?

That just seems weird that in a fight with adrenaline pumping...you would pull your punch like in competition. Typically we see the opposite....people forgetting to pull their punch.
Hitting bags is different to fighting.

Have you ever actually done point sparring yourself? Because If you practice sparring In point rules then you get used to pulling punches it becomes part of your muscle memory and you do it whenever you fight trust me it happens so many times with point fighters
 

JowGaWolf

Sr. Grandmaster
MT Mentor
Joined
Aug 3, 2015
Messages
14,094
Reaction score
6,006
Against more aggressive opponents, he has a lot of success
The more aggressive the better. Aggressive opponents tend to over commit which makes things easier to deal with. They also tend to move in only one direction.
 

FriedRice

Master Black Belt
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
1,291
Reaction score
131
Location
san jose
Well hey nothing bad to say about your fighter but the other girl....my god her coach needs to train her exclusively in hands her kicks were terrible. Also needs to work on her defence literally everything your girl threw she landed even some kicks that weren't great herself (mainly that last spinning kick)

I didn't watch the forms because I don't know taekwondo forms so there's no point

She looked retarded and/or very uncoordinated. It's extremely difficult to teach someone with those special needs. Poor girl was going for it though.
 

Latest Discussions

Top