Finally making another Dummy

[Pat M]

After many years of refurbishing peoples dummy's I am finally making one from scratch again.
Have made 4 previously though many years ago.
This one is for a friend.
Having sent 4 1/2 hours on it so far I'm impressed how much easier modern tools make it (I love spade bits)although I guess I'm a little wiser as well. Purchased arms ($250AU) but I now want to buy a second hand lathe so I can make them myself so it is cheaper in future. The hope is to keep the cost to $600AU so it is a cheap as possible for Chris.

Wooden Dummy For Chris Churchmichael Slideshow by pattmckay

I still have to build the frame and leg so will add more photos as I go, really enjoying the exercise.

 

[Buka]

Damn, Pat, that's really neat! You obviously know what you're doing. One heck of a cool slide show, too.

I can't wait to see it all finished.

 

[Tames D]

Very nice

 

[Pat M]

A bit more done. Posts finished for the frame.

 

[Flatfish]

That is some awesome weathered looking timber. I bet it'll look great when it's done.

 

[ShawnP]

Hi PatM, I know nothing about Wing Chun or about this Dummy your making, i have seen videos and movies of people using them and i have a few questions about the "arm" parts. I have noticed when people strike at the "arms" they move a bit and im figuring it has some thing to do with the way the Dummy is made
Are the "arms" supposed to move like that and if so what are the benefits of this if any?
is this a traditional way to make a "dummy"? or are there "Dummies" made in various ways?

 

[Pat M]

Hi PatM, I know nothing about Wing Chun or about this Dummy your making, i have seen videos and movies of people using them and i have a few questions about the "arm" parts. I have noticed when people strike at the "arms" they move a bit and im figuring it has some thing to do with the way the Dummy is made
Are the "arms" supposed to move like that and if so what are the benefits of this if any?
is this a traditional way to make a "dummy"? or are there "Dummies" made in various ways?

Hey Shawn,
Yes the arms move "a bit" it is by design.

Regards "benefits" of the arms moving a bit. A little give helps prevent (long term injury), it also helps approximate an opponents arms.

"Is this a traditional way to make a dummy" Who's tradition are you talking about, thank goodness you didn't say authentic.

Have a read of these, it will provide a lot of background regards the WC dummy as well as those from other Southern Chinese Kung Fu's:

https://chinesemartialstudies.com/2...al-arts-part-ii-attack-of-the-wooden-dummies/
The Red Boats and the Nautical Origins of the Wooden Dummy
The Story of Ip Man’s Wooden Dummy

 

[Gerry Seymour]

After many years of refurbishing peoples dummy's I am finally making one from scratch again.
Have made 4 previously though many years ago.
This one is for a friend.
Having sent 4 1/2 hours on it so far I'm impressed how much easier modern tools make it (I love spade bits)although I guess I'm a little wiser as well. Purchased arms ($250AU) but I now want to buy a second hand lathe so I can make them myself so it is cheaper in future. The hope is to keep the cost to $600AU so it is a cheap as possible for Chris.

Wooden Dummy For Chris Churchmichael Slideshow by pattmckay

I still have to build the frame and leg so will add more photos as I go, really enjoying the exercise.

(When I first read this, I thought it said "sideshow", and thought, "Well, he must be more entertaining when turning on a lathe than I am...")

This is a project I've thought about taking on in the past. The wooden dummy isn't part of my style's lineage, but I've found that some of the movements practiced on them fit nicely with how I move, so I've long wanted one of these to bruise myself upon. I need to call my uncle and see if he has a lathe in his shop big enough to do the arms.

 

[ShawnP]

Hey Shawn,
Yes the arms move "a bit" it is by design.

Regards "benefits" of the arms moving a bit. A little give helps prevent (long term injury), it also helps approximate an opponents arms.

"Is this a traditional way to make a dummy" Who's tradition are you talking about, thank goodness you didn't say authentic.

well, being in the cabinet business and working with wood, i have wanted to make many items over the years, this being one of them since i first saw one being used in a movie (Bruce Lee if im not mistaken) way back when, with the exception that i wanted to make it with more realistic features. i got the idea from my Grand Mother who is a seamstress, and there were lots of manikins laying around the attic where her shop was set up, i used to go up when she saw not working and set them up and beat the crap out of them doing Bruce Lee choreographed fights, plastic nun-chucks and all so what i mean by traditional is that they are all made the same, look the same, out of the same kind of wood etc. BTW thanks for the links, i will read them soon as i get a chance.

as far as the moving arms, i cant see how that would prevent long term injury, are you not hitting through the target when practicing on it? sure i can see when it moves at first contact but after that its going to stop moving and it would still be like hitting a solid object, no? its seems a lot different than hitting a canvas bag.

 

[Pat M]

Hey Shawn,

You are not directly striking the arms more they get in the way of you striking the trunk. Find someone local to you willing to spend some time with yourself and a dummy, I'm thinking until your get a feel for it ......

You can also use the dummy for conditioning and yes I have had my fair share of bruises, but understand you do not have to smash the crap out of yourself.

The dummy teaches you angles and positioning, it's like a big protractor.

 

[Pat M]

Frame finished and have done the first test assemble.
Wooden Dummy For Chris Churchmichael Slideshow by pattmckay

 

[KPM]

^^^^ I like the "beefy" arms that are a bit "oversized" compared to a lot of dummies. Nicely done!

 

[Pat M]

^^^^ I like the "beefy" arms that are a bit "oversized" compared to a lot of dummies. Nicely done!

Yes I agree, when I first saw the arms they looked a little chunky but having played on this one for the first time tonight I like it.
More like real arms.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Frame finished and have done the first test assemble.
Wooden Dummy For Chris Churchmichael Slideshow by pattmckay

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I notice the attachment to the frame is a very loose joining. Is this to absorb some of the energy? How much do those loose areas tend to wear down over time from the movement?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Frame finished and have done the first test assemble.
Wooden Dummy For Chris Churchmichael Slideshow by pattmckay

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Is the dummy actually just supported on two 1"x2" boards, or is the scale of the cross-pieces deceptive?

 

[KPM]

Yes I agree, when I first saw the arms they looked a little chunky but having played on this one for the first time tonight I like it.
More like real arms.

A friend of mine is a woodworker by trade in Brooklyn. He has started making some dummies to sell and he makes them with the thicker arms like that on purpose.

 

[geezer]

A friend of mine is a woodworker by trade in Brooklyn. He has started making some dummies to sell and he makes them with the thicker arms like that on purpose.

When I first saw the photo, I wondered about how thick they were, but I can't see how it would be a problem. I'd like to try some like that myself.

 

[Pat M]

I notice the attachment to the frame is a very loose joining. Is this to absorb some of the energy? How much do those loose areas tend to wear down over time from the movement?

Hey gpseymour,

The rails are standard size and are bolted to the posts. The strange looking enclosures why the rail goes through the post is for height adjustment so a block can be removed from all four point and the rails bolted back up.

This is so Chris can give shorter kung fu brothers and sisters the opportunity to use his dummy.

The only movement is that of the arms, trunk slide and some rail spring. Take a look at the slide show as there are some close ups.

 

[KPM]

When I first saw the photo, I wondered about how thick they were, but I can't see how it would be a problem. I'd like to try some like that myself.

VingDragon Club

 

[Pat M]

VingDragon Club

Yep they are nice and chunky.
Hand shaped as well, not spun.
I have only hand shaped one arm to repair a broken one with an under sized square sharft