Fasting and the Martial Arts Mindset

[Headhunter]

ok whoever you are, go snort some more coke......rolling my eyes........

go talk to your other cloaked identity friends who feel the need to hide behind some made up name, half of them probably work for the government and are just sitting there killing time until their shift ends anyway. and some of them are the same individual getting his rocks off thinking he's really fooling somebody.

I do like this quote you use in your signature line though, thank you.

"If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies." Moshe Dayan

Hey if you don't like this forum you know where the close button is on your computer. Not that it matters you'll probably be banned soon. Anyway this is a martial art forum not a diet forum.

Hope you sort your issues out buddy

 

[DougKenline]

Another 600 calorie day. Now starting 36 hour fast.

I think diet and Martial Arts go hand in hand. I think no serious student of the Martial Arts would not include diet as part of their training program.

pdg says "I do think you have a body self image problem - but hey, so do I."

Ok well I can take that. No problem with that pdg. Whoever you are. Good job with your program.

Regarding "fasting for more than a day gives me a headache ".

Running for more that 100 miles per week probably makes every inch of your body hurt like hell, but these guys keep running.

Regarding "I like the food I like - I like burgers, I like pizza."

Ok now we're talking!

Regarding "I had a ~4,000cal day and a ~6,000cal day".

I don't count calories on my eat days, A large, 14-inch hand-tossed pepperoni pizza from Domino's has 2,370 calories. Village Inn - Ultimate Skillet W/turkey Sausage, Bacon, 3 Small Pancakes and maple syrup 2,000 calories. One bag of Nestle Toll House butterscotch morsels 1,700 calories. 1/2 gallon milk 900 calories. Can of Coca-Cola 150 calories. I'd say 6,000 calories is a pretty good day. I probably get close and maybe even go over that on my eat days. But I don't count calories on my eat days and have no desire to count calories on my eat days.

On my eat days I just eat. I don't count. And I don't weigh-in. I only weigh-in on damage check day after I am done eating and ready to get back on the program.

I think focussing purely on weight and calories is the best answer for me. I have no time or desire to look at any other numbers. I'll let my Doctor look at all of my other numbers and I won't bother looking at them unless my Doctor tells me they are off. Last visit they said my cholesterol was high. But I weighed 286 lbs at the time. I will be interested to see what they say on my next visit 5/2.

My bet is Doc will tell me that all of my numbers are excellent and great job on losing all of that weight.

jobo says "I also suspect that you don't look aesthetical pleasing, very tall very thin middle aged people generally dont."

Well I'm sure I'm not as good looking as you are jobo. From your profile pic it is obvious that you are movie star material.

jobo or whoever he/she is says "what is your motivation for your diet régime?"

I have many motivations. Marshall Ulrich ran ultra marathons because his wife died of cancer. I've got my reasons too.

In Running on Empty he shares the gritty backstory of his run and the excruciating punishments he endured on the road. Ulrich also reaches back nearly thirty years to when the death of his first wife drove him to run from his pain.

https://www.amazon.com/Running-Empty-Ultramarathoner’s-Record-Setting-Across/dp/1583334904


Gerry, thanks for the reasoned commentary and feedback.

Regarding "You are using extreme athletes as an excuse for bingeing.."

Maybe so.

Martial D says, "this guy hasn't the first clue about martial arts".

I am here to learn. Tell me what martial arts is about.

I think martial arts is about learning. About keeping in good physical condition. Which for many means working on their diet. I think it's about a lot of things. It probably is even a religion to some. But just like in any religion, members claiming the same religion will argue among themselves.

CB, thanks for the feedback and good job with the videos, keep up the good work.

Regarding, "from 25 years old to last year(40 years), I was 6'2" 200 lbs with an athletic build"

Yea I could eat anything and everything and not gain a pound until I was about 45 years old. Roy at work is 35 years old 6' 2' tall and 130 lbs. He says he can't gain weight no matter what he does. I tell him man go out and get yourself a double cheeseburger and he says "I'm just not hungry." LOL. Everybody has their own circumstances. Andrew at work is 400 lbs and he sits at his desk eating buckets of fried chicken and Honey Buns like there's no tomorrow without a care in the world. They had to get a special chair that was big enough for him to sit in.

Regarding, "200 lbs to me is my ideal weight." Hope your knee gets better. Get-R-Done.

Regarding, "In the past I only had to alter my diet to averaging under 2000 calories per day to lose weight."

Wow 2000 calories per day. I could just imagine what kind of meal plans I could put together on a 2,000 calorie per day budget. On my 600 calorie per day for 5 days then 36 hour fast program I lose 2 to 3 lbs per week usually. Weigh-in on Monday morning after the fast, eat all day Monday, then back on the program starting when alarm goes off Tuesday morning.

I'm contemplating skipping this Monday Feast and pushing it till next Friday.

Next Friday starts a one week Feast Cycle as I will be flying to Raleigh, North Carolina to take a test. Friday I'll pile up about 20 boxes worth of Little Debbies on the goodies table in the office, grab a half gallon of milk and get things started. I sit right close by the goodies table and all during my fasting days I have to sit there and watch them all bring in the goodies while I say no thank you. On Friday I will enjoy seeing them all squirming around the big pile of Little Debbies thinking to themselves oh I might have just one but it's going to ruin my diet. And then watching them give in and eat 5 or 6. Oh yea buddy that is fun times! And then I'll get up and grab about 5 or 6 more for myself and toss Andrew a Honey Bun from across the room so he doesn't have to get up.

Everything is going great here guys! Keep up the good work and thanks for the great forum!


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[Tames D]

This is a strange thread. Yea buddy.

 

[pdg]

Ok well I can take that. No problem with that pdg. Whoever you are. Good job with your program.

You seem to think using a (probably self appointed) nickname on a forum is a bad thing, something to hide behind for nefarious purposes.

It's internet safety 101 - the more personal detail you give out, the more 'risk' you face. I wouldn't be happy about my kids using their real names as public identifiers in an online environment...

As an adult it's a different choice, but my name would be too long to be sensible anyway. Suffice to say, the first letter of my "pdg" screen name stands for "Paul".

Running for more that 100 miles per week probably makes every inch of your body hurt like hell, but these guys keep running.

Well, actually, not so much.

If you're accustomed to that activity and fuelled correctly, it's more than doable without significant pain.

Different activity, but same premise - I used to cycle to work. 15 miles each way, 5 days a week. Plus rides out on sat and sun. How would 200+ miles in the saddle make you feel? I was fine with it.

I think focussing purely on weight and calories is the best answer for me. I have no time or desire to look at any other numbers.

If weight loss is your goal then that's what you'll have to focus on.

But, you can be light and yet skinny-fat.

I'm currently the heaviest I've ever been, that I know of, at 11st (154lb or 70kg for you variable furriners) - yet my waist is 29". When I was ~15lb lighter it was just about 32".

Now I'm heavier, but I'm in better condition.

Scales don't tell you everything, and sometimes (depending on your goal) they can downright lie.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Another 600 calorie day. Now starting 36 hour fast.

I think diet and Martial Arts go hand in hand. I think no serious student of the Martial Arts would not include diet as part of their training program.

pdg says "I do think you have a body self image problem - but hey, so do I."

Ok well I can take that. No problem with that pdg. Whoever you are. Good job with your program.

Regarding "fasting for more than a day gives me a headache ".

Running for more that 100 miles per week probably makes every inch of your body hurt like hell, but these guys keep running.

Regarding "I like the food I like - I like burgers, I like pizza."

Ok now we're talking!

Regarding "I had a ~4,000cal day and a ~6,000cal day".

I don't count calories on my eat days, A large, 14-inch hand-tossed pepperoni pizza from Domino's has 2,370 calories. Village Inn - Ultimate Skillet W/turkey Sausage, Bacon, 3 Small Pancakes and maple syrup 2,000 calories. One bag of Nestle Toll House butterscotch morsels 1,700 calories. 1/2 gallon milk 900 calories. Can of Coca-Cola 150 calories. I'd say 6,000 calories is a pretty good day. I probably get close and maybe even go over that on my eat days. But I don't count calories on my eat days and have no desire to count calories on my eat days.

On my eat days I just eat. I don't count. And I don't weigh-in. I only weigh-in on damage check day after I am done eating and ready to get back on the program.

I think focussing purely on weight and calories is the best answer for me. I have no time or desire to look at any other numbers. I'll let my Doctor look at all of my other numbers and I won't bother looking at them unless my Doctor tells me they are off. Last visit they said my cholesterol was high. But I weighed 286 lbs at the time. I will be interested to see what they say on my next visit 5/2.

My bet is Doc will tell me that all of my numbers are excellent and great job on losing all of that weight.

jobo says "I also suspect that you don't look aesthetical pleasing, very tall very thin middle aged people generally dont."

Well I'm sure I'm not as good looking as you are jobo. From your profile pic it is obvious that you are movie star material.

jobo or whoever he/she is says "what is your motivation for your diet régime?"

I have many motivations. Marshall Ulrich ran ultra marathons because his wife died of cancer. I've got my reasons too.

In Running on Empty he shares the gritty backstory of his run and the excruciating punishments he endured on the road. Ulrich also reaches back nearly thirty years to when the death of his first wife drove him to run from his pain.

https://www.amazon.com/Running-Empty-Ultramarathoner’s-Record-Setting-Across/dp/1583334904


Gerry, thanks for the reasoned commentary and feedback.

Regarding "You are using extreme athletes as an excuse for bingeing.."

Maybe so.

Martial D says, "this guy hasn't the first clue about martial arts".

I am here to learn. Tell me what martial arts is about.

I think martial arts is about learning. About keeping in good physical condition. Which for many means working on their diet. I think it's about a lot of things. It probably is even a religion to some. But just like in any religion, members claiming the same religion will argue among themselves.

CB, thanks for the feedback and good job with the videos, keep up the good work.

Regarding, "from 25 years old to last year(40 years), I was 6'2" 200 lbs with an athletic build"

Yea I could eat anything and everything and not gain a pound until I was about 45 years old. Roy at work is 35 years old 6' 2' tall and 130 lbs. He says he can't gain weight no matter what he does. I tell him man go out and get yourself a double cheeseburger and he says "I'm just not hungry." LOL. Everybody has their own circumstances. Andrew at work is 400 lbs and he sits at his desk eating buckets of fried chicken and Honey Buns like there's no tomorrow without a care in the world. They had to get a special chair that was big enough for him to sit in.

Regarding, "200 lbs to me is my ideal weight." Hope your knee gets better. Get-R-Done.

Regarding, "In the past I only had to alter my diet to averaging under 2000 calories per day to lose weight."

Wow 2000 calories per day. I could just imagine what kind of meal plans I could put together on a 2,000 calorie per day budget. On my 600 calorie per day for 5 days then 36 hour fast program I lose 2 to 3 lbs per week usually. Weigh-in on Monday morning after the fast, eat all day Monday, then back on the program starting when alarm goes off Tuesday morning.

I'm contemplating skipping this Monday Feast and pushing it till next Friday.

Next Friday starts a one week Feast Cycle as I will be flying to Raleigh, North Carolina to take a test. Friday I'll pile up about 20 boxes worth of Little Debbies on the goodies table in the office, grab a half gallon of milk and get things started. I sit right close by the goodies table and all during my fasting days I have to sit there and watch them all bring in the goodies while I say no thank you. On Friday I will enjoy seeing them all squirming around the big pile of Little Debbies thinking to themselves oh I might have just one but it's going to ruin my diet. And then watching them give in and eat 5 or 6. Oh yea buddy that is fun times! And then I'll get up and grab about 5 or 6 more for myself and toss Andrew a Honey Bun from across the room so he doesn't have to get up.

Everything is going great here guys! Keep up the good work and thanks for the great forum!


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You keep comparing your "binge and starve" regime to both martial arts and extreme athletic pursuit. It is neither, and similar to neither. You are using extreme examples to justify doing something, rather than looking rationally at it and making an informed choice. You've chosen to do this to your body so you can binge as much as you want, whatever you want, rather than focusing on developing a habit of discipline. That latter would be the approach borne out of a martial arts mindset, or of the mindset of an extreme athlete (or any athlete).

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Running for more that 100 miles per week probably makes every inch of your body hurt like hell, but these guys keep running.

I did that for a while. Was actually kind of pleasant once I trained up to it - meditative. I ran twice a day: "short" run in the morning (3-5 miles) and "long" run in the evening (~10 miles). It was too much time to commit, and interfered with other activities, but my body had no complaints. Something more analogous to what you're doing would be running 100 miles straight, then not running for several weeks to recover, then repeating the cycle. That would be quite painful, and harmful to boot.

 

[AngryHobbit]

is Fasting a part of anyone's training program here? please share your thoughts on Fasting.

Having spent a large portion of my life until the age of 19 standing in long food lines and then trying to make the hard-won food edible, I would never consider fasting. Not only do I side with the part of the medical community that considers fasting an unhealthy extreme, but, for me, personally, starving myself intentionally is so psychologically damaging it negates any alleged benefits.

I believe in moderation. Enjoy all foods in moderation. Enjoy exercise in moderation. Lose weight the slow way - incidentally, slow, steady weight loss approach has been confirmed to yield the best long-term results.

Kudos for losing 130. But, considering you are a fairly tall person, 160-180 is a plenty healthy weight for you, especially if you are working to develop your muscles. Yo-yoing 30-50 pounds up and down, accompanied by periods of starvation and overeating sounds awful.

 

[DougKenline]

Yo-yoing 30-50 pounds up and down

10 to 20 lbs up and down

160-180 is a plenty healthy weight for you

that's spot on with my program....see the diagram in my initial post.....red line 183 lbs green line 158 lbs....spot on! thank you.....

Kudos for losing 130

thanks AngryHobbit!!

Having spent a large portion of my life until the age of 19 standing in long food lines

i was just thinking about this today......i was thinking about the famine in southern sudan.....i was thinking that is a good reason to go on a hunger strike........i think i will write a letter to president trump and tell him that i think it is appalling that he is sitting there eating steak and caviar and getting fat with 100 billion dollars in his personal bank account while people are literally starving to death....

and at least 100,000, according to the UN, were in imminent danger of death by starvation.

2017 South Sudan famine - Wikipedia

now if that's not a good reason to go on a hunger strike i don't know what is.....maybe i'm on my own personal hunger strike against president trump......

alleged benefits

alleged? i lost 130 lbs.

thanks for the comments Gerry....will try to respond more later.........

keep up the good work guys!

 

[Tames D]

i think i will write a letter to president trump and tell him that i think it is appalling that he is sitting there eating steak and caviar and getting fat with 100 billion dollars in his personal bank account while people are literally starving to death....

It's easy to criticize. What have you done to eliminate starvation? How much of your money have you donated? Were you appalled at yourself for getting fat while people were literally starving to death? I would hate to think that you are a hypocrite. Yea Buddy. Keep up the good work.

 

[Buka]

 

[Dirty Dog]

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Needs more bacon. And get rid of that enormous salad!

 

[Tez3]

Parmo and chips a popular North East of England 'delicacy'. Note lack of anything healthy at all.

Parmos - everything you ever needed to know about Teesside's fast food

 

[_Simon_]

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........ is that........


............... bacon?



(Bacon has certainly made many trans-thread journeys, am thoroughly enjoying watching it's evolution XDXD)

 

[_Simon_]

Parmo and chips a popular North East of England 'delicacy'. Note lack of anything healthy at all.

Parmos - everything you ever needed to know about Teesside's fast food

Ohhhhhh Tez3....... look what you've done......


I must have one of these soon now....... XD

 

[Buka]

 

[Dirty Dog]

Parmo and chips a popular North East of England 'delicacy'. Note lack of anything healthy at all.

Parmos - everything you ever needed to know about Teesside's fast food

That also needs bacon. And maybe some black pudding.

 

[Tez3]

Ohhhhhh Tez3....... look what you've done......


I must have one of these soon now....... XD

Middlesbrough parmo recipe

I don't know if you'll see it but there's an ad for Aussie wine underneath it lol. Aussie wine is very enjoyable!

 

[pdg]

........ is that........


............... bacon?



(Bacon has certainly made many trans-thread journeys, am thoroughly enjoying watching it's evolution XDXD)

Bacon constitutes 7 of the 9 major food groups.

The other two are "non bacon carrying quadruped" and then of course "fish/bird".

 

[Tez3]

Bacon constitutes 7 of the 9 major food groups.

The other two are "non bacon carrying quadruped" and then of course "fish/bird".

One of my Brownie mother's username is fisharefriendsnotfood We've just down a Guiding sleepover at The Deep in Hull, sleeping by the enormous fish tanks, waking up to sharks, sting rays and large fish swimming around is unnerving and makes you less likely to eat fish lol as they do seem to have distinct personalities.

 

[Dirty Dog]

One of my Brownie mother's username is fisharefriendsnotfood We've just down a Guiding sleepover at The Deep in Hull, sleeping by the enormous fish tanks, waking up to sharks, sting rays and large fish swimming around is unnerving and makes you less likely to eat fish lol as they do seem to have distinct personalities.

Why? I dive with all those things. Doesn't affect my appetite. Love me some ultra-fresh seafood. With a side of bacon.