TKD has had more of everything I listed above, but let's examine this a little further shall we. First off what is truely a fact and a fiction on the actual accounts of TKD in the world? Lies who really started all these lies about the time of TKD and why? Actual accounts: to me this is our biggest fraud those people that say this is what my Master - GrandMaster says so it os the truth. First off TKD got it name in the Fifties if I am not mistaken so Korea could never have an TKD art or sport prior to that it was called Korean Karate. So TKD is only about 60 years old and the sport is probaly more like 40 -45 years old. What happens when 25 senior Koreans get together but none of there story connect which one to believe? For me and alot of us it would be our instructors, since we have been with them for a long time training and believeing. Since most Korean instructor refuse to believe most Korean instructor how do we the general public believe each other? I know alot of question with very little answers so I will see where this goes and for how long. I will chime in everyday at some point to give my two cents worth but most will not believe.