"Every cop should learn BJj" Do you agree?

[CB Jones]

Exactly this. The problem with most SD stuff and even LEO based stuff is it's not trained with resistance at ANY level, much less a high level.

Hens teeth indeed.

At least BJJ, even if trained with restrictions, is trained properly against resistance, so you might actually be able to pull some of it off when it counts.

That goes to the individuals. Guys that are uninterested are still gonna brother in law it even if you put them in bjj

 

[CB Jones]

I was fortunate, I had carte blanche designing DT, which was based on a cop's needs. I was also running a dojo at the time - and all cops, fire fighters and emergency responders trained for free, where they could do more advanced things. A few of them took advantage. But most, especially friends, were like "Feels to much like being at work and you're not paying me." We still laugh about that.

In the academy we did 6 weeks of boxing and grappling with a guarantee that at some point you was gonna get whooped no matter how good you were.

 

[Hanzou]

Police who do BJJ obviously like BJJ. But this video makes the point with just two words.

The officer mentions in training he is

held accountable.

Real world application is too often an excuse.

Mike the cop is the guy in the OP as well. Didn't know he was a purple belt.

 

[ballen0351]

I was fortunate, I had carte blanche designing DT, which was based on a cop's needs. I was also running a dojo at the time - and all cops, fire fighters and emergency responders trained for free, where they could do more advanced things. A few of them took advantage. But most, especially friends, were like "Feels to much like being at work and you're not paying me." We still laugh about that.

yep, that's the biggest roadblock getting them to show up. You can't force them without paying them. Then it's not fun anymore and its just more mandatory training that they go through the motions until its time to go home or worse they get "Injured" and now its a workers comp issue.

 

[ballen0351]

Mike the cop is the guy in the OP as well. Didn't know he was a purple belt.

I think he just got it not long ago, He does some really funny videos if you like cop humor. He's been pushing BJJ hard lately on his site.

 

[Hanzou]

Nor is it optimum for police work

Interestingly, Bjj instructors are constantly being hired for MMA, Military, and Police training.

Much to the chagrin of the SD folks out there.

 

[Hanzou]

BJJ is basically the art of maintaining control over someone on the ground.

Maintaining control of suspects on the ground is a regular part of a cops job.

Seems like a no brainer.

BJJ helps when you have to tussle with someone on your feet as well. Gjj is especially good with dealing with people from the clench.

 

[ballen0351]

Interestingly, Bjj instructors are constantly being hired for MMA, Military, and Police training.

Much to the chagrin of the SD folks out there.

Im not saying its bad or dont do it. Im just saying its not the total end all be all for law enforcement. It has its place in the tool box.

My biggest issue with BJJ for making an arrest or self-defense is getting on the ground. Generally when the SHTF its in a less than desirable location like the side of a highway with cars flying by at 60 mph or in someone's living room when your alone and have no idea who else is in the house or where the weapons are. Your usually fighting someone you haven't searched yet and don't know if they have weapons. So best case for these is to strike hard and get distance then move on to distance control weapon like a taser or OC Spray or Gun depending on the situation. Also when rolling around on the ground both me and the suspect are now the same distance away from my gun, my taser, my OC Spray.
BUT like I said Id rather them train in something anything really as opposed to nothing at all like a vast majority of cops today.

 

[Martial D]

That goes to the individuals. Guys that are uninterested are still gonna brother in law it even if you put them in bjj

Whether or not they feel like doing it is neither here nor there with regards to the efficacy of the training though...

 

[Hanzou]

Im not saying its bad or dont do it. Im just saying its not the total end all be all for law enforcement. It has its place in the tool box.

My biggest issue with BJJ for making an arrest or self-defense is getting on the ground. Generally when the SHTF its in a less than desirable location like the side of a highway with cars flying by at 60 mph or in someone's living room when your alone and have no idea who else is in the house or where the weapons are. Your usually fighting someone you haven't searched yet and don't know if they have weapons. So best case for these is to strike hard and get distance then move on to distance control weapon like a taser or OC Spray or Gun depending on the situation. Also when rolling around on the ground both me and the suspect are now the same distance away from my gun, my taser, my OC Spray.
BUT like I said Id rather them train in something anything really as opposed to nothing at all like a vast majority of cops today.

Oh yeah I completely agree with you. I was mainly talking about how SD schools aren't generally happy that Bjj is even considered a part of the conversation because it is mainly a sport. There's a lot of money to be made with police and military contracts and some people in the SD business don't want a guy in a gi to get that money.

With that said, I watched the video in the OP with the sound on, and its pretty hard to argue that this situation...

..couldn't have used some Bjj.

 

[Headhunter]

I'm the wrong one to ask because I think everyone should train.

But....in the real world, in order to get cops to train a Martial Art you pretty much have to be paying them overtime.

Pretty much yeah. I train with a couple police and I spoke to them about this and they said they cover very basic stuff in training then they have a refresher course once a year....the reason being the more time they spend in a gym the less police there's going to be on the streets. Now that's just where I am it may be different in other places

 

[drop bear]

Mike the cop is the guy in the OP as well. Didn't know he was a purple belt.

Yeah. Lots of cops do the beej. We have a couple of decent ones.

I don't know if our situation is different but cops here get shifted about a bit. And so bjj is a bit more accessible.

 

[drop bear]

Oh yeah I completely agree with you. I was mainly talking about how SD schools aren't generally happy that Bjj is even considered a part of the conversation because it is mainly a sport. There's a lot of money to be made with police and military contracts and some people in the SD business don't want a guy in a gi to get that money.

With that said, I watched the video in the OP with the sound on, and its pretty hard to argue that this situation...

..couldn't have used some Bjj.

The issue specifically there is you also need more than one guy or stuff turns pear shaped. You can't expect a cop to out fight everyone that is out there

And I have had that conversation before as well.

 

[Headhunter]

Would be better off learning boxing and training regularly on Defensive Tactics that have restraint, escorting, handcuffing, and weapon retention in mind.

What use is boxing....you punch a guy with a Mike Tyson style right hook then you get sued like crazy

 

[lklawson]

I'm the wrong one to ask because I think everyone should train.

But....in the real world, in order to get cops to train a Martial Art you pretty much have to be paying them overtime.

I've worked with any number of cops who paid for their own martial arts training. personally, I think they should be reimbursed for it, but that's not usually how it works.

Peace favor your sword (mobile)

 

[ballen0351]

..couldn't have used some Bjj.

Yeah once it got to that point if he had some basic ground skills it could have been different. Alot of things went wrong In that case it shouldn't have even ended up that far.

 

[CB Jones]

Before we get too far in the weeds.

If we are talking about What should be REQUIRED then

Again in my opinion: boxing and LE defensive tactics.

BJJ is great but should not be required.

What use is boxing....you punch a guy with a Mike Tyson style right hook then you get sued like crazy

Nothing says an officer cannot punch someone that is assaultive and all im just talking about is just teaching the basics...how to punch, cover up etc.... also they get some experience on what it feels to get rocked.

 

[ballen0351]

Nothing says an officer cannot punch someone that is assaultive and all im just talking about is just teaching the basics...how to punch, cover up etc.... also they get some experience on what it feels to get rocked.

Yep, we had too in my academy. We had to line up and the instructor walked down the line and punched us in the face. 3 people out of the 60ish in my class quit right then. Said this wasn't for them and they left.

 

[TMA17]

The problem I've seen from many SD schools and places, even the Krav schools, is the lack of quality due to the lack of pressure testing. If the pressure testing is good, then your quality of students will be higher. The really good quality Krav place near me offers what they call L.A.C.E. – Ladies Awareness, Confidence & Empowerment. I'd be curious how hard they push them and how much resistance they are given.

If I were a cop, I'd be contemplating the same 3 arts I've been discussing the last few months - Judo, BJJ and Wrestling. Reality is you can't go wrong with any of those 3. BJJ is clearly more accessible. I'd say Judo/Wrestling "may" be more idea in the sense you get better stand up to avoid ground. Obviously BJJ is best for the ground.

To be a complete fighter there is no getting around having both striking and a ground game. It becomes a matter of preference and availability.

*Between Judo, Wrestling and BJJ, which would allow someone to more competent the quickest? In other words, if you taught someone 6-12 months of BJJ, Judo or Wrestling, which would provide you the most attributes the fastest? Time is money and any more time than that would be not ideal for LE.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

For cops, the following MA skill may suit them better.