At the request of a moderator, (see: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18873 posts #'s 138, 141, 145, 149, 154, 155, 166, 167, 168, and finally, 170), I have started a new thread to discuss this issue specifically. I don't expect many replies, because this seems like an open-and-shut case, but then I may just be surprised. Anyhoo, here was my question from post #166 of the above-mentioned thread: "Would anyone else like to agree or disagree with the following: 'effectiveness and authenticity of lineage . . . are two completely separate issues.' ?" I fully recommend reading the above cited posts in the What is "American Ninjutsu" thread to get the proper background for discussion.