Discussion in 'Aikido' started by moonhill99, Apr 12, 2015.
Do you train a martial art?
If Xue Sheng or K-man train in aikido or are martial arts instructor of aikido or some other members here are train in aikido or are martial arts instructor of aikido that fine. Than I take it those schools have more striking.
It just I don't know where information I quoted in the above posts today is coming from. Are they all reading false comments on the internet and repeating it.
Is the striking they use in aikido different than boxer, karate or street fight and that is where the miscommunication problem comes from?
I looked at K-man video clip where I said it look more gritty less flowing and smoothing than aiki.
Even still the striking was not want you see in boxer, karate or street fight strike.
Could this where the miscommunication problem comes from?
Yeah, thanks, not what I asked.... Do you train a martial art?
After looking at this video today I agree it is more rough and striking like other three videos I posted yesterday.
But is not the striking like boxer,karate or street fighter may be this where the information where people say there is little striking in aikido is coming from. Is striking in aikido is different than striking like a boxer,karate or street fighter.
There is striking here but it is more take down striking and different than striking you see in a street fight.
Like a boxer,karate or street fighter.
May be this is where some people say there is little striking in aikido.
That the striking in aikido is different type of striking.Not sure.
Not sure if chokeholds are used in aikido but I have seen Steven Seagal use it many times.
Oh, for crying out loud….
There is no contradiction in the quotes you provided, which leads me to believe that you aren't properly reading them, but reading what you expect them to say… additionally, you're still fixated on your own inaccurate ideas, and are now forcing those onto others (thinking that everyone else is thinking of some "other" type of atemi, as it's not what you think we'd think of). Bluntly, you have resisted all information given to you.
To add to the insult of ignoring the very answers to the questions you're posing, you're now ignoring questions from others. So, with the last hope of having some positive interaction here, can you answer Xue's question?
Do you, or have you ever, actually trained in any martial art yourself?
in the posts you have asked us to look at it is stated a couple times that there are strikes in Aikido. At no time in the is it said there are NO strikes.
It has also been stated that depending on the specific school there may be more or less striking depending on at what stage of the development of the art the instructor or his instructor trained.
Just because striking is not mentioned in post 76 dose not imply that such a thing dose not exist.
in the quote above is it possible that KIAI might refer to striking as well as other things
moonhill try looking at Tsuki Iriminage MartialTalk.Com - Friendly Martial Arts Forum Community did that man say striking? are strikes being shown?
Moonhill, I have a very sincere piece of advise for you! I think everyone else here does too, but I'll try communicating it in a nicer, more respectful way in hopes that it sticks!
I intend this advice in the most constructive way possible, and I believe it will benefit you more than any further posting you can do on this thread.
Now, as you might have gathered by my posts here, I also dislike conflicting information, and often butt heads with more experienced folks here. But I try to do so in the spirit of learning, and with full recognition of the likelihood that I don't know half of what I think I do.
The best thing you can do to answer your questions is simply to go train. And your questions won't be answered right away -- in fact, it might not be for many years down the road before they're answered. But empty your cup; assume you understand nothing, fundamentally, and go train. Whether there are strikes, or no strikes, whether it is soft or hard, go train. Do that for a long time. Eventually, you'll start to build enough experience and understanding to resolve these seemingly conflicting points of view.
No martial art, no matter how simple or complex, is without stark differences in opinion of how it should be applied. It's up to you to train and figure that out for yourself. But you won't find your answers through mere speculation, or the opinions of others on an internet forum. Go, get on the mat, and learn for yourself!
That's what everyone here has been suggesting, but might I suggest that they know what they're talking about! It doesn't really matter what you train in the end. Just start somewhere!
Best of luck in your martial endeavors -- if not in the rest of life, as well! Just remember, it all starts with emptying your cup.
Palm smash to face about this thread.
Moonhill it's simple if you want an art that concentrates on striking go do boxing or kickboxing if you want a joint locking/throwing art then take a ju jitsu root art.
Simply put aikido has striking in it but concentrates more on the grappling aspect IMHO.
Here's Seagal sensei demonstrating aikido at a sambo tournament in Russia two days ago:
And like that...poof....moonhill99 is gone
Interesting how his aikido looks, compared to, say, the early 90's.....
That's where it came from
And I was not sure anyone would notice
I found this pretty helpful in trying to find information about Sensei Steven Segals style. Hope you find this as enjoyable as I did:
From my understanding Take Sensei Aikido focus on realistic attacks,irmi,swordcuts and tai sabaki. Also there randori looks very different then traditional Aikido.
Most of Steven Seagal Sensei's earlier students are now running their own dojos, Haruo Matsuoka Sensei is back in Japan, Larry Reynosa Sensei runs Makoto dojo, even Lenny Sly who is making a lot of noise on YouTube lately belongs to this lineage.
As for Take Sensei himself, well he is not running a dojo so he is not teaching on a daily basis but he is doing seminars and demos (mainly in Russia) and he is still doing exams at Jaime Calderon's dojo...
Well his Aikido looks a bit different lately because he is different in many ways, but as with all Aikido masters I think we should try to keep in our minds the image and technique they reflected when they were at their prime and approach that as best as possible....
yup he is lol
If he'd actually stop saying what he thinks is wrong he'd be easier to take lol
His concept and execution are not to bad (his ukes are helping him tho look at the feet in some and you'll see they are assisting lol) but he has not flow at all it is imo very mechanical but if it works for him and he getting the business from it that is his affair
Yes I agree about Lenny, he is good, that's the truth but you are correct in what you say about him...
He has been very rude towards one my Sensei's techniques in the past (not on YouTube) and though he apologized repeatedly to me personally, I can't stop thinking that he is trying to sell himself as the ultimate Aikido truth! Still, I like him though... Hahaha!
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