Do you prefer sparring with women or men?

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  1. drop bear

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    It is the lack of mass more than the gender.

    A good analogy that was made was treat the like you would a 16 or 17 year old boy.
     
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    Someone with shorter reach, less muscle, and less mass has a disadvantage against me, unless they are more skilled than me, regardless of gender. That just happens to be more common with women (and teenage guys).
     
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    To me it doesn't matter with whom I spar.
    Maybe the only criteria is the engagement. If you know that your opponent puts his/her soul into the training, it is enjoyable.
    If a person is more skilled/stronger/bigger than me than it is a challenge.
    If person is less skilled/weaker/smaller than sometimes I realize my own mistakes or I can give some guidance to them.

    But training with someone who doesn't care, I am slightly annoyed. But hey, it exercises my patience ;)
     
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    It's hard for me to find other women to spar with. Guys are usually ready and willing. lol.
     
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    You need girls to get girls.
     
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    In the past I've sparred with men and women and I've learned from both. But in sparring with women I found that because their strength is different they tend to be more technical. And a kick that has a combination of leverage, quickness and agility behind it is a humbling thing. Guys tend to be strength oriented. Just my observation and experience so far.
     
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    I'm not a woman, but fighting someone taller is a plus to me regardless of gender. I've always been shorter than most men so any fight that I get into will probably be against someone bigger. It allowed me me to train in "the most likely" real life scenario of someone being taller than me.
     
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    I am in the same boat. It doesn't change a ton, but I did/do work on certain strategies based on height and my body type. In my circuit days I could kick strong and high from a ridiculously close range. It changed the way my trainer worked on my fighting technique in the ring.
    Being primarily TKD I have always been an out fighter but usually I am working you from closer in than most TKD people.
     
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    It doesn't really matter to me as long we both learn something from it and have fun. I do prefer the two minutes continuous sparring over point sparring.
     
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    I hate people who kick like that. Kick from proper kicking range, where I'm ready for it, damnit.
     
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    I'll spare anyone! Bring it on!... I don't actually do a lot of sparring so please be gentle?
     
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    You definitely don't have to worry about that any more. :(
     
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    I might seriously have to worry about everything else, though.
     
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    I was just talking about this very thing a couple of hours ago with my sensei. I mentioned that most of the times I got hurt sparring was when fighting newer students - they can be very erratic and do weird stuff with little control. Feints often don't work since they cannot react to the subtleness of them, or overreact so much it blows up your intended follow-up.

    When fighting a less/un-trained person (not necessarily saying less dangerous) or a person trained in a much different style, I think the best strategy is to NOT spar with them. By "spar" I mean a give and take in a familiar way. This is especially true in a real fight. Since you have no idea what they might do, they are unpredictable, like a drunk driver.

    It's like trying to debate someone who has no logic at all. Hard to win. Trust me on this - I'm married.

    So the safest way is not to give and take - but just take. Don't give them a chance to mess you up with their weirdness. Immediately break their balance, move in at an angle, check or pin their leg and arm and delivery your strike. Of course, this may not be very sporting in the dojo, but when it's serious, it may be the best strategy. Sparring an unknown/newer student in the dojo is a great way to develop your skill in checking and covering since they may do anything, you have to be prepared for everything.
     
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    I've noticed many times that folks who train together become predictable, which you'd expect, since they're training the same reaction set together. We start to expect that reaction, and working with someone who hasn't learned it (either an untrained person or someone trained elsewhere) can be a great wake-up call.
     
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    I loved to spar with as many people as I could.
    As far as size goes, the owner's wife was not even 5 foot tall, but quick on her feet, and could jump a good bit as well (trying to put your hand on her forehead would have been a really bad decision! ^_^)
    one of the instructors in the area was really tall and skinny. He lived by his range - and died by it, once you were able to sneak in close range.
    My friend was a 60 year old beginner, with age related mobility issues. SHe could still knock your head off with a crescent kick, or just punch you in the head. One kid was about 14, but looked at least 18, if not 20, a good 6 foot tall (plus) and build like a dang tree! The only time I had a really painful experience sparring! My shin pad slipped, and I made contact with his leg. My shin was a lovely sick shade of green after! And yeah, I bounced off that kid like a flea!

    I don't like sparring with people who have either no control, or no respect.
    Or neither. That's when I turned it up a notch! Came home one time with a silverdollar sized black bruise on the thigh (ok, butt) because this kid with dreams of becoming a fighter couldn't get his leg up to kick above the belt! I am only 5'5"!

    what irritated me, when we grappled, we had a strict segregation policy in the school and organization: you could only roll female with female, male with male. While I understand the reason, the result was sorry! While I had the advantage of being a smaller person, my usual partner only got to spar with a light weight!
    You don't usually get attacked!

    as far as sparring with noobs, I enjoyed it. The higher rank sets the pace, and got to direct the lower rank, even make him or her object of training combos (with light and medium contact only!)
    I enjoyed giving them pointers, making them try something different. In a small school, you have to grow the talent carefully! ;)
    But yeah, if you spar with different people, you learn more, and if you spar against people who are bigger, you learn how to use the mat better.
     
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    It is funny. We are climbing all over each other to spar those guys.
     
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    Yeah, we did have our fun with them.
     
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    I agree with everyone else’s comments so far. Spar with those who have better skill than you, who are a “threat” and you will learn from. Fighting someone you’re comfortable with doesn’t push your limits. You’re not going to get in a fight with someone your own size on the street most likely either ;)
     
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    That’s part of the “playing by the rules” I was speaking of a few months back here. Newbies don’t know those “rules” yet.

    We got a few new adults in the dojo over the last few months. They all present new challenges to sparring. Instead of me trying to do my thing and controlling the match within the norm, I like letting them do their thing and countering stuff that I’m probably not going to see after they settle in for the long haul. They’ll eventually mold into what we do soon enough; work off of what they’re doing right now while I’ve got the chance.
     
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