Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

Discussion in 'Kenpo - (EPAK) Ed Parker's American Kenpo Karate S' started by Ceicei, May 3, 2004.

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Do you know your Kenpo lineage?

  1. Yes, I can trace my training lineage back to the founder.

  2. Well, I am vaguely aware about some of the people who taught my instructor(s).

  3. No, but I would like to know.

  4. Who cares? I am only interested in my training under my current instructor(s).

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  1. VegasM4

    VegasM4 Yellow Belt

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    Ed Parker>Jeff Speakman>me
     
  2. OKenpo942

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    Yes, I do know my lineage... Mr. Edmund K. Parker> his student> my intructor> me.

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  3. Yondanchris

    Yondanchris Master Black Belt

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    American Kenpo
    SGM Parker
    Prof Pat Salantri
    SI Clark Cole
    ME
     
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    Inkspill Orange Belt

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    It is important to me

    Mr. Parker
    Mr. Rick Hughes
    Me
    those I will teach the art to
    those they will teach

    Each of us have a deep responsibility to keep the art strong, alive, logical, effective, proffessional, real, basically I would want Mr. Parker and Mr. Hughes and those who came before to look at my Kenpo, and the Kenpo of those I teach to look at my future students and their students, and their students (etc) and be proud of the Kenpo they see, be happy to see the art thriving, to know that the art continues and is true to the spirit of Kenpo.

    I wouldn't want them to ever look down the line and be disappointed. I want them to be proud of my Kenpo and the Kenpo that goes on beyond me.
     
  5. CrazyPeople

    CrazyPeople White Belt

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    As did i, both were pretty good guys, but same here i dont know who Kevins teacher was either.
     
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  7. shima

    shima K3NPO

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    SGM Parker > Senior Prof. Ken Herman > Prof. Martin Seck > MSTCNC

    My lineage to Mr. Parker is clean, strong, and to-the-point. To me, personally, this is VERY important. In the big picture? We all make an art our own in some way... "Take what is useful. Disregard the rest!", as Sifu Lee might say...

    I feel truly blessed, and consider it a great honor, to be training just three-steps removed from SGM Parker, and with such talented Instructors as my "upline".

    In addition, I'd be remiss if I didn't include those people who trained, and pained, with me along the way on my Martial Path. Without an Uke, or being one for someone else, I would not be able to express my physical self as a Martial Artist...

    {Full Salute}
     
  9. Josh Oakley

    Josh Oakley Senior Master

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    SGM Parker-> A.C. Rainey

    Or

    SGM Parker-> Hebbler-> A.C. Rainey

    Or SGM Parker + Hebbler + Chapel -> A.C. Rainey

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    Chow/Emperado/Godin/Gascon/Pesare/Cerio/Seavey/me

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    Chow/Cerio/Seavey/me
     
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    My Kenpo lineage traces back through Hawian Kenpo. The interesting thing is that like many practitioners, I have multiple lineages. I can trace my primary style, Tang Soo Do, to Hwang Ki and a second Moo Duk Kwan lineage well into early Korean masters. The result is that while I think of myself as a Tang Soo Do practioner, I could not honestly say I can differentiate the source of the many things my Grand Masters have taught me over the years.
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    celtic_crippler Senior Master

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    That's a damn fine lineage you got there, sir! Professor Seck is the best kept secret in the Kenpo world! ;-)
     
  14. monk64

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    Yes:

    Ed Parker -> Dave Hebler -> Me
    Ed Parker-> Chuck Sullivan -> Me
    Ed Parker -> Tracys -> Kevin Lamkin -> Me

    That said, I certainly wouldn't look down on someone whose lineage was longer. Vic LeRoux's "lineage" is the same as mine, as he is a Chuck Sullivan student. Vic LeRoux is a whole lot better than me. So length of lineage isn't everything.

    It's worth noting that Kenpo changed during Parker's lifetime, and certainly by his disciples. Sullivan and Hebler were quite different.

    I think what matters is the quality of the instructor. Hebler could spend an entire evening just on Delayed Sword - the physics, how it might play out, the history, variations, why some variations don't work, why it's where it is in the curriculum, how it ties into the rest of the system, different drills to help with elements of the technique, etc. Same for every other technique.

    It seems like the old masters have this kind of encyclopedic knowledge. They just know a lot of stuff. They move with authority. Every Parker black belt I've met has mentioned at one time or another that they were impressed by how Parker moved. "I've never seen anyone move with such authority" - Dave Hebler. "When he moved, the room shook." - Sullivan.

    The strip mall McDojo Kenpo guys teach you ten techniques in a night, are wobbly in their movements, and barely understand the art. They weren't promoted by Parker or Parker's black belts.

    However, I have met some people with longer lineage that were very good.
     
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    Basically my immediate lineage is:

    GM Larry Tatum
    GM Patrick S Kennedy
    AM Andy Fitzgerald
    Me
     
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    My lineage goes as follows: James Mitose to William Chow to Ronald Moku Alo to Stan Mattson to my humble self. Stan Mattson was my sensei up until his death. His wife, sensei Laura Lang is now my sensei.
     
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    My lineage converges two lines. My instructor GM James K Roberts Sr. Trained under Master Emperado in Hawaii and now holds a 9th dan in Kenpo, He also trained under GM Hwang Kee and Master Ahn in Korea. Officially our school was Tang Soo Do but I've noted significant Kenpo influence in areas such as one step sparing and self defense.
     
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    My Kenpo lineage going backwards. DanPribble,Jeff Speakman,SGM.Edmund K. Parker,William Chow,James Mitose.
     
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    I haven't studied Kenpo since I was young, but everything I learned I learned from my father. So I guess my lineage goes, Ed Parker, Steve Fox, Dan Ekkelboom, me.
     
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