Creativity is key?

[Gerry Seymour]

Not creativity...

Okay, by your definition, maybe not.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Fine if you think you are Bruce Lee.

Or happen to think even a little like him.

 

[Midnight-shadow]

Not creativity...

If using a technique in a new situation in a real fight isn't being creative, what is it then? How do you define creativity?

 

[Touch Of Death]

If using a technique in a new situation in a real fight isn't being creative, what is it then? How do you define creativity?

Creating is God's work, we just make do with what we've got.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Chi is very real if you think about it as your level of fitness, and it becomes very in-real if you think of it as magic. I think of creating is magic, and being extemporaneous is what people are actually doing when they think they are being creative. It is just semantics.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Chi is very real if you think about it as your level of fitness, and it becomes very in-real if you think of it as magic. I think of creating is magic, and being extemporaneous is what people are actually doing when they think they are being creative. It is just semantics.

I think you meant to post this in the other thread, ToD.

EDIT: Re-reading it, now I'm not sure which thread you meant it to be in. Could be either, though I missed the connection here.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Creating is God's work, we just make do with what we've got.

That's a religious definition. We're talking about martial arts.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Chi is very real if you think about it as your level of fitness, and it becomes very in-real if you think of it as magic. I think of creating is magic, and being extemporaneous is what people are actually doing when they think they are being creative. It is just semantics.

That's a religious definition. We're talking about martial arts.

Which can be a very extemporaneous experience.

 

[Touch Of Death]

I think you meant to post this in the other thread, ToD.

EDIT: Re-reading it, now I'm not sure which thread you meant it to be in. Could be either, though I missed the connection here.

Right place.

 

[Dylan9d]

Improvising with your basic fundamentals and principles, you can call it creativity but it's not really the same.

I spend alot of time with my advanced students on that subject.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Improvising with your basic fundamentals and principles, you can call it creativity but it's not really the same.

I spend alot of time with my advanced students on that subject.

What would you call creativity in MA, then?

 

[Touch Of Death]

What would you call creativity in MA, then?

Hodge-podging, of course, for lack of a better term.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Hodge-podging, of course, for lack of a better term.

So, if you want folks to get more creative, you have them just hodge-podge some stuff?

 

[Touch Of Death]

So, if you want folks to get more creative, you have them just hodge-podge some stuff?

It will show their extemporaneousness, yes! That is actually a word the computer recognizes. LOL

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Since others have said what they don't think is creativity, I'll put forth my thoughts on what it is. I'll start from the definition (the most applicable one - 2nd from dictionary.com):

the ability to transcend traditional ideas, rules, patterns,relationships, or the like, and to create meaningful new ideas, forms,methods, interpretations, etc.; originality, progressiveness, or imagination

So, using that as a starting point, creativity is working outside what you were strictly taught. Eventually, it becomes learning when the rules are creating unnecessary limits, where the techniques are only starting points, etc. Early in a student's development, however, those aren't concepts they should be mucking about in. At the earlier levels, it's learning to move beyond the set paths you were taught. How can you combine two techniques (using steps from one, arm movements from another, perhaps)? It's trying versions of a technique that you weren't taught, to find out whether they work or not, and then figure out why. It's taking a standing technique and working it from kneeling. It's taking a sacrifice technique and trying the same principles without the full sacrifice.

In essence, creativity is looking for "new" ways to do things. They need not be new to the art (and likely won't be). They are new to that student, and that exploration and investigation builds a deeper understanding of the concepts and principles behind an art or system.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Since others have said what they don't think is creativity, I'll put forth my thoughts on what it is. I'll start from the definition (the most applicable one - 2nd from dictionary.com):


So, using that as a starting point, creativity is working outside what you were strictly taught. Eventually, it becomes learning when the rules are creating unnecessary limits, where the techniques are only starting points, etc. Early in a student's development, however, those aren't concepts they should be mucking about in. At the earlier levels, it's learning to move beyond the set paths you were taught. How can you combine two techniques (using steps from one, arm movements from another, perhaps)? It's trying versions of a technique that you weren't taught, to find out whether they work or not, and then figure out why. It's taking a standing technique and working it from kneeling. It's taking a sacrifice technique and trying the same principles without the full sacrifice.

In essence, creativity is looking for "new" ways to do things. They need not be new to the art (and likely won't be). They are new to that student, and that exploration and investigation builds a deeper understanding of the concepts and principles behind an art or system.

You mean life hacks.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

Chi is very real if you think about it as your level of fitness, and it becomes very in-real if you think of it as magic. I think of creating is magic, and being extemporaneous is what people are actually doing when they think they are being creative. It is just semantics.

What? Could you please explain how this pertains to the thread? I am confuzzled

 

[Touch Of Death]

What? Could you please explain how this pertains to the thread? I am confuzzled

Chi and creation are both debatable terms.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

Chi and creation

Well, the original point of this thread was to discuss ideas on creativity. Creation is something else that are entirely to complex for the few brain cells I have left.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Well, the original point of this thread was to discuss ideas on creativity. Creation is something else that are entirely to complex for the few brain cells I have left.

Sorry, carry on.