Colour of Dragons in Chinese Myth and Names

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  1. AidanO

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    Hey everyone,

    I've been working deeper into my sword form, and rather than just knowing the moves, I enjoy knowing the names of the moves to go along with them. For a start it makes it a lot easier to refer to individual moves when talking to someone, rather than saying "Hey the move where you come back from a thrust, step back, circle your jian around to deflect low." It's much easier to say "Black Dragon wags its tail" (Or whatever) Since if you're in the same school, you know what you're each referring to.

    This got me to thinking, why does the colour keep changing throughout the form. I don't know where I read it, but that the names of the moves implies on how they are to be used. While each move can be used many a way, it also gives you a little head start on how each should be used in the beginning.

    This lead me to what is the difference between a Black and Green Dragon in Chinese myth? I know the Azure dragon is the East Wind and the Gold Dragon was the symbol of the Emperor (at least on his banners and robes) but was there any major differences between different coloured dragons?

    Hence why this is in Chinese Culture and not Chinese swordsmanship.
     
  2. Jade Tigress

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    I found some info on dragon colors. I always thought green dragons were western dragons and my search didn't turn up any green dragons in Chinese culture.

    Eastern Dragon Overview

    Chinese Color Meanings

    Dragon Colors (Eastern and Western)
     
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    Cool... I would've said look to the Cycle of Creation/Destruction & the colors associated with the elements.

    But cool find Pam!!
     
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    Thanks for finding that, it's rather interesting.

    I find the lack of Green dragon notes strange (not a dig at you) because in the 54 point form, it clearly calls certain moves Green Dragon.

    For example: Green Dragon emerges from the Water. Green Dragon Shows it's claws. They're often more 'offensively based' moves, whereas the moves named with a Black Dragon are the more defensive. I personally find that rather interesting. (Although both contain both deflections and strikes)

    Thanks for the links, they'll come in handy, I'll continue on with a bit more research.
     
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    I read somewhere (got to find the source ..) that earth dragons were green. Wikipedia says the earth dragon was the controller of rivers and seas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_dragon). That might explain "Green Dragon emerges from the water" ...

    Fyn
     
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    i remeber seeing a form that started out very basic to very advanced and the parts of the for were named after animals so in essence as the form progressed so did the complexity maybe the dragons represent some form of level from beg-adv like in the kenpo/kempo [parker] maybe eac color represents a type of attack [like storm means stick in american kempo] just a thought---tom
     
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    Thank you for that Jon, it was a rather interesting read. Amazing detail on a common mistranslation into English. The word used in the native Chinese is so much more than just 'Green'.

    With other research on the Qing Long, there is a certain element to the way the move is played out. It's certainly helpful in further research deeper into the form.
     

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