chinese spies and assassins

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  1. jaikali

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    A bit wierd question but still ....What were the difference between an chi (lin kuei art) , yin sen shu (beggar art), and yang qin quan?? What art did the royal assassins use??
     
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    Do you have the Chinese characters for these?
     
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    Which wuxia they came out of?
     
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    Sorry .....but i saw the article on international ninjutsusociety.com....i have no prior knowledge on this...but curious to know...
     
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    First, it is .net not .com


    Since they have the dynastic history wrong, the first emperor, and founder of Sui was Emperor Wen of Sui, not his son Yang Jian, I have my doubt about the validity of the claim.

    Also where is the research to back up their claim of
    As for Mizongyi

    Lost Track (MiZong), Yan Qing

    Beggar’s style

    Sorry, I don’t have a lot of faith in the claims of the International Ninjutsu Society as far as their attempts go to link ninjutsu to specific CMA styles
     
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    Is this the site you are referring to - International Ninjutsu Society ? If so, I wouldn't give much credence to anything on there. It seems largely fantasy based.
     
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    Thanks for correction ....I had a chinese friend of mine who told me that they were called as "ci ke" in china meaning a sneaker or a thief in dark clothes...is it so??
     
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    Also i saw many movies in which they have shown assassins working for the king...what art did they learn?? Or were they normal soldiers or kungfu guys with concealed identity???

    Sorry but correct me........ if i could group them it would be around five groups of secret fighters..

    Lin kuei or ren shu.
    Vagabonds or beggars.
    Yan qin quan fighters.
    Kungfu secret fighter or king's assassin.
    Masked Rebels and bandits .

    Perhaps none could be real as not much evidence is present to support the fact...
     
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    Need, pinyin, Wade-Giles or Chinese Characters.
     
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    Movies are movies and mostly not historically accurate...don't base any understanding of Chinese martial arts history by what you see in movies
     
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    I wouldn't base any understanding of any historical event, person or action from any culture or country on anything you see in films.
     
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    Based purely from phonetics, an chi (an4 qi4) just means concealed weapon/ device. Normally this refers to small projectiles that are hidden from view and used for surprise attacks.

    Yin sen shu (yin3 shen1 shu4) refers to methods/skill of self concealment/camouflage.
     
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    Did assassins and spies do their work in different cultures throughout history? Did at least some of them conceal their identity with a mask and wear dark clothes at night?

    I'm sure the answer to these questions is yes.

    But it's not significant. Don't get hung up on it.
     
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    on Google books there were several books (author haha lung ) stating the existence of legendary "Moshuh Nanren or T-ZI-BU" and the " White Lotus Society "in china .
    they also mention a secret tiger martial art used by them .

    but who knows they are just imaginative or real ?.

    when ninja boom began in America in 80's then there was no mention of these legendary warriors....or even Korean sul sa...they emerged 15-20 years after that specially due to PC game called mortal kombat .
     
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    Haha Lung a/k/a Ashida Kim a/k/a Chris somethingoranother inTrailer Park City, Florida ...
     
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    White Lotus

    There is another white lotus group in modern China....but I do not think we can discuss that in front of the children ;)
     
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    Children nowadays are forefathers of everyone interms of mental level ..so no issue if you want ..then you can discuss..;)
     
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    Nope that discussion likely would not make it past the MT filters either...besides it really has nothing to do with the martial arts
     
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    Er… whatever made up fantasy "art" the authors of these completely fictional groups/systems etc decided the differences were…
     
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    I think beggar art was not fantasy ..because still they are teaching yin sen shu in some parts of the world....also lin kuei were not pure imagination ..some chinese say that when they were young their patents used to scare them by saying that "there were demons in the forest wearing black clothes so dont go alone at night ". The only problem is that there is no enough evidence to prove it.
     

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