Are so-called traditional martial arts dumbed down (even when practised properly in Asia)?

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  1. Midnight-shadow

    Midnight-shadow 2nd Black Belt

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    So, do you think it is more likely that Sanchin was just a single form that was taken from Fujian and incorporated into already established Karate styles? I guess it does make sense now that I think about it more.
     
  2. hoshin1600

    hoshin1600 Senior Master

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    not at all.
    we are only talking about 3 people here. we know that Kanbun Uechi went to China and trained in a style in Fuzhou, Fujian province in 1897. he trained for 10 years under Shu Shi Wa and attained a teaching licence from his instructor. he then proceeded to teach in China before leaving and relocating in Wakiyama Japan around 1924.

    Chojun Miyagi studied under Kanryo Higaonna. Higaonna went to Fuzhou, Fujian province in 1870. and was there for 10 years training under Ryu Ru Ko.

    it is said that Norisato Nakaima also went to Fuzhou and trained with Ryu Ru Ko and returned to Okinawa in 1875 and founded Ryuei Ryu.

    all of these men studied a decent about of time and brought back multiple forms not just sanchin.
    the questions remains did they study only one system or many? it has been said that Higaonna had trained in Lohan Quan on Okinawa from a Chinese named Aragaki before he even went to China.
    Kanbun Uechi's teacher was said to know multiple styles.
    the other issue is that while all three karate styles are similar, they have Chinese aspects but do not match any known Chinese style exactly. they are more similar to each other than they are similar to a Chinese style.
    we also know despite a lot of effort though multiple generations we cannot find any evidence of the history and all attempts to verify these Chinese men have eluded us so far.
     
  3. Midnight-shadow

    Midnight-shadow 2nd Black Belt

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    That's not really surprising, given how much the Chinese love destroying their own culture throughout history.
     
  4. MA_Student

    MA_Student Black Belt

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    Maybe but really does it matter?
     
  5. donald1

    donald1 Senior Master

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    Maybe not but it's still interesting to learn none the less
     

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