A serious question to adept martial artists about physical fitness...

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  1. jobo

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    this is exactly what you said, you didn't say it would only help build speed, or that additional training is required.

    you said heavy weights WILL increase speed, period
     
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    Yup OK
     
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    sort of, tendon stiffness transfers the strengh from the muscle to the joint, if the tendon stretches then some of that strengh is lost,if it has greater stiffness less is lost.

    this topic has swooped of course to the question of if isometrics have more benefit than plyometric and the answer is maybe.
    but, it depends what you mean by plylometric there are at least two accepted defintions out there and the study doesnt indecate if its one, the other or both its refering to.

    isometrics were all the rage in the 50,60 and 70s. Then science said they didn't work and they were forgotten, now science seems to have rediscovered them.

    all very interesting but not at all on the topic of if heavy lifting of a bench press results in a major increase in hand speed or not
     
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    I've never used weights. Way to much risk of injury and causing permanent damage. Look what happened to bruce lee he suffered with severe back pain for the rest of his life.

    What I've been lately to build my strength up for Jiu Jitsu is simply press ups but slow ones where I hold myself down for a few seconds before pushing myself back up and do about 10-15 at a time. It's only been about 2 weeks and already I feel stronger both just on the arms and on the mat.
     
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    Believe me when I tell you that lifting weights (done properly) is infinitely safer than 90% of physical sports out there. Plus, lifting weights actually builds an injury-resistant body.
     
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    Well I've done well enough without them all my life so I'll be fine
     
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    The "done properly" part is what's problematic. Most folks won't have a trainer handy to check their form on every exercise and stop them from exposing joints badly, etc.
     
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    Well, you have a point. I guess I am an exception to the rule because I have actual experience and solid knowledge on safe weight training.

    But I do believe that it's not really that hard to figure out how to safely lift weights. Free information is all over the place. I'm sure I can pull up a Mark Rippetoe training video involving how to squat, deadlift, or bench properly.

    I also would like to point out that there is a risk to everything we do. Anything that's worth achieving has a risk involved. Football and boxing are dangerous sports on their own right. There's a lot of injuries that can happen. I can recall a youtube footage of a football player celebrating a touchdown by jumping all over the place and ended up damaging his knee.
     
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    The issue isn't finding a source, it's evaluating your own form. Most people won't be capable of doing it properly. What stands out to an experienced and qualified trainer as a mistake might not look any different from good form when viewed by a novice.
     

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