Never keep a weapon near your bed

blackxpress · #1 10-10-2009, 09:48 AM

This almost happened to me years ago. If my wife hadn't screamed just in the nick of time she'd be dead now.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...ls-159257.html

I'm posting this in the firearms section because, in this case, the weapon was a gun. The same could also apply to knives, swords, etc. If you must keep a loaded firearm in the house, be sure it's secure enough that you cannot deploy it unless you are fully awake. In my case, the weapon was an 8" hunting knife that I used to keep between the mattress and box springs. I thought I heard an intruder in the house. I reached over to check on my wife and could've sworn she was still in the bed with me. I must have been half asleep, sleepwalking or whatever. I saw this shadowy figure coming through the bedroom door, pulled my knife and lunged out of bed. She screamed and I broke off my attack just in time. I still can't believe I was able to regain my faculties that quick. She and I are both very lucky. From that day forward I have never kept a weapon of any kind within easy reach of the bed. I keep a loaded shotgun in the closet inside a case. That requires me to be awake enough to walk across the room, open the closet, get the gun out of its case, jack a shell into the chamber and remove the safety. Hopefully if I'm able to do all those things I'll be awake enough to know who I'm shooting at before I pull the trigger.

sgtmac_46 · #2 10-10-2009, 10:49 AM

Even better advice is identifying your target before putting rounds downrange. That's why a flashlight is vitally important.

zDom · #3 10-10-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtmac_46

Even better advice is identifying your target before putting rounds downrange. That's why a flashlight is vitally important.

Amen.

As for me, I would rather be a victim because of hesitating than endure the pain of hurting or killing a loved one.

**MBuzzy** · #4 10-10-2009, 12:44 PM

This is why my weapon is locked in a safe with ammo in a different room. Not very practical for defending my house....but just fine for it not being fired by the wrong person or at the wrong time.

sgtmac_46 · #5 10-10-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zDom

Amen.

As for me, I would rather be a victim because of hesitating than endure the pain of hurting or killing a loved one.

Exactly......more to the point, with proper previous planning, proper target identification shouldn't put one at a tactical disadvantage.

I am concerned about keeping locked and loaded firearms near the bed. If one does choose to keep a firearm near the bed, it should be in Condition 3.......chamber empty, full magazine, hammer down (if hammer applicable) and safety on.

A couple conscious steps in the process should be required before the gun is able to be discharged.

And any gun intended for home defense should have a bright weapon light attached, AND an additional separate hand-held light right next to it so as not to muzzle any ambivalent targets.

KenpoTex · #6 10-10-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MBuzzy

This is why my weapon is locked in a safe with ammo in a different room. Pretty much worthless for defending my house....but just fine for it not being fired by the wrong person or at the wrong time.

fixed that for you...

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Originally Posted by sgtmac_46

Exactly......more to the point, with proper previous planning, proper target identification shouldn't put one at a tactical disadvantage.

I am concerned about keeping locked and loaded firearms near the bed. If one does choose to keep a firearm near the bed, it should be in Condition 3.......chamber empty, full magazine, hammer down (if hammer applicable) and safety on.

A couple conscious steps in the process should be required before the gun is able to be discharged.

And any gun intended for home defense should have a bright weapon light attached, AND an additional separate hand-held light right next to it so as not to muzzle any ambivalent targets.

While I don't necessarily agree that the weapon should be kept unloaded, locked up, or in condition 3, I do agree that proper target identification is an absolute must. This is the reason why my "nightstand pistol" has a weapon light attached.

jamz · #7 10-10-2009, 06:53 PM

The Four Rules:

1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. NEVER point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Finger OFF the trigger until sights aligned and you are ready to shoot.
4. ALWAYS know what your target is, and what is behind your target.

If everyone followed Rule 4, the number of accidental/negligent shootings would be cut by at least half. If everyone followed all the rules, there would be almost no accidental/negligent shootings, ever.

One should never ever fire at anything unless one knows exactly what it is.

Deaf Smith · #8 10-10-2009, 07:00 PM

I've heard of a few chilling cases where people shot their loved ones or the fireman. Yes very sad to hear such and one thinks 'it could happen to me'.

Now does that mean I will get so scared I’ll make the mistake of panicking and attacking the wrong one? I doubt it.

Does it mean I should give up all ideas of self defense in the home because a few people have made grievous errors? No and here is why:

I read of an awful lot of home invasions, robberies, burglaries gone bad, angry ex-spouses/boyfriends that kick in doors and kill the ones inside, etc…. Far more than of stories of mis-identifcations.

Like KenpoTex and sgtmac_46 are saying, make sure of your target and keep a method of identifying potential targets (flashlights or such.)

Don't be a fool and think taking up all you weapons makes you safe for either yourself or others.

Deaf

***Ceicei*** · #9 10-10-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jamz

The Four Rules:

1. The gun is ALWAYS loaded.
2. NEVER point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy.
3. Finger OFF the trigger until sights aligned and you are ready to shoot.
4. ALWAYS know what your target is, and what is behind your target.

If everyone followed Rule 4, the number of accidental/negligent shootings would be cut by at least half. If everyone followed all the rules, there would be almost no accidental/negligent shootings, ever.

One should never ever fire at anything unless one knows exactly what it is.

100% in agreement.

Ceicei

***Jenny_in_Chico*** · #10 10-10-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KenpoTex

While I don't necessarily agree that the weapon should be kept unloaded, locked up, or in condition 3, I do agree that proper target identification is an absolute must. This is the reason why my "nightstand pistol" has a weapon light attached.

This is a great idea, and I can't believe it never occurred to me.

K-man · #11 10-10-2009, 10:28 PM

My 45kg 'weapon' sleeps on the floor by the bed, knows everyone local by sight and smell so is not likely to attack the wrong target, has greal night vision equipment and also possesses a blood chilling audible alarm! As backup there is a standby unit stationed the other side of the bed next to my wife.

We sleep like babes!

KenpoTex · #12 10-11-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenny_in_Chico

This is a great idea, and I can't believe it never occurred to me.

they're handy little things...coolest idea since sliced bread

got one on my rifle as well...

blackxpress · #13 10-11-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by K-man

My 45kg 'weapon' sleeps on the floor by the bed, knows everyone local by sight and smell so is not likely to attack the wrong target, has greal night vision equipment and also possesses a blood chilling audible alarm! As backup there is a standby unit stationed the other side of the bed next to my wife.

We sleep like babes!

I have one of those "weapons" as well. I'm not good at metric conversion (stupid American that I am). Mine only weighs 10 lbs., more of an intruder alarm than anything else. Definitely sufficient to wake me up and give me plenty of time to get prepared.

***Brian R. VanCise*** · #14 10-11-2009, 09:48 AM

I have a 40lb puppy and still growing. I think he will be an excellent guard dog! Still I am not relying on him but instead see him as an augment to the security alarm system already in place as well as the tools that I have available for a moment of personal protection. Bottom line I think everyone is in agreement in that you need to identify your target, be awake and in control. Part of your training should be learning how to wake up fast, sleep with your senses still working, etc. That way when you do see, hear,feel some thing you are immediately awake and ready to go!

K831 · #15 10-11-2009, 12:13 PM

The dogs are without a doubt a tactical advantage and my 3 are "HSLD" for sure.

My Handgun sits by the bed, round chambered, hammer "decocked". I would never pull the trigger on an unidentified target, same as I would never SWING A BAT A SILHOUETTE IN THE HALLWAY!!! Gun's give us range and so extra factors apply, but some rules apply to any weapon. Just think about what you are doing, and who you're about to take out!

It also helps to have a frank discussion with anyone family members or friends who have keys etc to your place.... they should all know, even if you think I am out of town or something, IDENTIFY yourself when you let yourself in, day or night.

Lastly, people have got to learn introspection, be honest with yourself... Know your temperament, are you a clear thinker when scared? Easily rattled? You should be able to answer for yourself if its safe for you to have instant access to a loaded weapon upon waking up.

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