Kenpo Sticks

[HKphooey]

Just curious as to how many kenpo artist out there work with the sticks or take another art the uses the sticks. If another style, what style? And do you find usiing your kenpo material with stick(s) in hand and effective form of defense? Do you find the two blend well together?

Form 7 teaches us to incorporate the sticks into our existing kenpo techniques, but I was wondering if any of you work on other training with the sticks.

[MJS]

Originally Posted by HKphooey

Just curious as to how many kenpo artist out there work with the sticks or take another art the uses the sticks. If another style, what style?

Modern Arnis. Personally, I think that these 2 arts blend very nice!!

And do you find usiing your kenpo material with stick(s) in hand and effective form of defense? Do you find the two blend well together?

Form 7 teaches us to incorporate the sticks into our existing kenpo techniques, but I was wondering if any of you work on other training with the sticks.

I picked up these tapes:

http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=104

On the 2nd tape, he is using a blade and a stick (not at the same time) to show how they can be applied to the empty hand techniques. Definately some nasty stuff when he gets to the blade work!

Mike

[Carol]

I do some stickwork, although we do it largely as part of black belt club (outside the normal class material.)

I've done largely some basic stuff... different hammering and whipping motions, but I find them to be a lot of fun to work with.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by HKphooey

Just curious as to how many kenpo artist out there work with the sticks or take another art the uses the sticks. If another style, what style? And do you find usiing your kenpo material with stick(s) in hand and effective form of defense? Do you find the two blend well together?

Form 7 teaches us to incorporate the sticks into our existing kenpo techniques, but I was wondering if any of you work on other training with the sticks.

Modern Arnis or almost any FMA would be superior to what most know as "Form 7," which was never designed to be functional except on a very limited basis. It was designed for competition, not function.

[Hand Sword]

It's redundant, but,........FMA's.

[HKphooey]

Originally Posted by Doc

Modern Arnis or almost any FMA would be superior to what most know as "Form 7," which was never designed to be functional except on a very limited basis. It was designed for competition, not function.

I will disagree with that (but as always, value each person's opinion). The base of form seven is standard kenpo techniques, and the stick is just an extension of the empty hand - so how can that not be functional? That would be mean the techniques are not functional. I look at form seven as taking something I have already trained with for years and placing a stick(s) in my hand. Once you have the stick in hand, some modifications need to be made to distance and angles of attack. Now learning Modern Arnis, I do see some of the problems with how the stick is held and the strickes are executed.

[KenpoDave]

Originally Posted by HKphooey

I will disagree with that (but as always, value each person's opinion). The base of form seven is standard kenpo techniques, and the stick is just an extension of the empty hand - so how can that not be functional? That would be mean the techniques are not functional. I look at form seven as taking something I have already trained with for years and placing a stick(s) in my hand. Once you have the stick in hand, some modifications need to be made to distance and angles of attack. Now learning Modern Arnis, I do see some of the problems with how the stick is held and the strickes are executed.

Well, based on your words here, if Modern Arnis is correct, then #7 is teaching you how to hold the sticks incorrectly and execute strikes incorrectly. I would not call that functional.

[HKphooey]

Originally Posted by KenpoDave

Well, based on your words here, if Modern Arnis is correct, then #7 is teaching you how to hold the sticks incorrectly and execute strikes incorrectly. I would not call that functional.

Agreed. I use the form only as a base to now work my FMA training into my kenpo. I may have read too much into Doc's comment ("never designed to be functional except on a very limited basis"). So I guess by incorporating the my FMA training I have made it effective IMO.

Not looking to push #7 here. More curious as to who/how the sticka arts are blended into people's training.

[Brian Jones]

I do both Modern Arnis and the AKKI stick/club material. They blend very well. That being said I want to point out that I began Modern Arnis not becuase the Kenpo stick work is not sufficient. I wantedanother perspecitve to make my stick work better, and to help me see better what is in the Kenpo material. Of ocurse Modern Arnis is not just "stick work" it is a comprehensive martial art).
And while this is not a thread on form 7, since you asked about stick work, I have to say I agree with Dr. Chapel.

Brian Jones