Samurai--Were They of Ainu Extraction?

[arnisador]

Seen on E-Budo:

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf065/sf065a01.htm

Findings by American anthropologist C. Loring Brace, University of Michigan, will surely be controversial in race conscious Japan. The eye of the predicted storm will be the Ainu, a "racially different" group of some 18,000 people now living on the northern island of Hokkaido. Pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese. Most Japanese tend to look down on the Ainu.


Brace has studied the skeletons of about 1,100 Japanese, Ainu, and other Asian ethnic groups and has concluded that the revered samurai of Japan are actually descendants of the Ainu, not of the Yayoi from whom most modern Japanese are descended.

The Ainu had their own language which is not related to Japanese. Their origin remains something of a mystery.

A related link:
http://knifelogic.com/AJPA_78-1CLBrace_SM.pdf

[BlackCatBonz]

the ainu were great warriors and considered to be some of the best archers in japan. but the fact remains, the samurai were a servile class of warriors to the japanese nobility that were completely expendable. it wasnt until they rose to power through militant force that they garnered any sort of reverance.
It's typical of the japanese to look down upon people that they feel are racially inferior.....look at okinawa.
I dont doubt that many of the ainu were brought into slavery and servitude of the nobility.......but after they rose to power, many people had their status elevated and removed.

[Cyber Ninja]

Very interesting post Arnisador.

[OnlyAnEgg]

indeed...very interesting and worthy of further reading.

Thanks, arni

[jujutsu_indonesia]

Ahh.. that explains how they can respect a Korean like M. Oyama

[SageGhost83]

I remember hearing about this in Japanese History 400 class back in uni. The professor showed us lots of pics of Ainu soldiers and generals, they looked eerily similar to europeans. They had the mustaches, bigger body builds and all. It is very interesting indeed. I also read that the Ainu shared a common origin with the american indians. I forget the source...thinking...thinking...crap. You can yahoo it or google it and find the story. My professor also told us that the yayoi actually originated from a proto-korean stock in Pusan, and that the yamato uji was a korean clan that settled in ainu japan due to overpopulation. The big red dot in the japanese flag was a symbol depicting lord ameterasu, who is really the korean sun goddess of some sort. He would jokingly say that japanese are just koreans with a little bit of ainu in them. I don't know, I am not an expert on it. Just sharing what my Prof taught me in uni. History is quite interesting, indeed.

[exile]

Originally Posted by SageGhost83

I also read that the Ainu shared a common origin with the american indians. I forget the source...thinking...thinking...crap. You can yahoo it or google it and find the story.

I think your judgment here is pretty much on target, SG. What evidence was cited for the link? Given that there is no good evidence that `[A]merican [ I]ndians' themselves share a common origin, it would be kind of difficult to make the still more outré case that the Ainu are related to all of 'em, eh? (We can leave Greenberg's supposed `Proto-Amerind' supposed grouping out of this; reputable historical linguists who actually do linguistic reconstruction showed long ago that his `method of mass comparison' would identify virtually any two lanuages chosen at random as genetically related). Ainu has suffered the same fate as Basque in Europe and other language isolates: there seems to be a compulsion to find other linguistic families to group them with, even if the evidence doesn't even support the ghost of a connection. Let's just say that any linkage of the Ainu to any other identified human population faces a burden of proof which no one has even begun to meet.

Originally Posted by SageGhost83

My professor also told us that the yayoi actually originated from a proto-korean stock in Pusan, and that the yamato uji was a korean clan that settled in ainu japan due to overpopulation. The big red dot in the japanese flag was a symbol depicting lord ameterasu, who is really the korean sun goddess of some sort. He would jokingly say that japanese are just koreans with a little bit of ainu in them. I don't know, I am not an expert on it. Just sharing what my Prof taught me in uni. History is quite interesting, indeed.

The picture you've painted here is a speculative fantasy unsupported by any kind of evidence, linguistic or physical. Japanese and Korean have yet to be shown to be genetically related by the acid test of historical linguistics: systematic reconstruction of proto-vocabulary using the standard comparative method, with detailed working-out of the sound changes that link descendent subgroupings to their common ancestors. The vast difference between their respective vocabularies, showing not a trace of lexical resemblance beyond the same kind of random resemblances one finds between English and Mandarin or Dutch and Swahili, decisively undercuts any hoped-for use of linguistic evidence to link the Korean and Japanese populations; and we are still very far from being able to identify genetic tags that would permit any statements, one way or the other, about genetic relations amongst the Korean, Japanese and Ainu.

It's true that history is extremely interesting. But speculation purporting to be history is actually rather tedious; it almost invariable winds up supporting someone or other's contemporary self-serving agenda, typically at someone else's expense. Folk beliefs and `oral history' so frequently turn out to be, in effect, charters for claim to (or denials of) some group/faction/sect's legitimacy that all they do, in the end, is provide grist for cynical reflections about how little people really care about the truth when their own advantage is involved. And we already know that, right?

What I find somewhat odd is the idea that a single genetic group in feudal and post-feudal Japan would be linked to a single occupational specialization along the lines you're asking about. That sort of things seems to've happened in India, where ethnicity and profession are tightly linked in the caste system; but mediæval Japanese was organized on rather different lines, as I understand it. It's true that certain families, and clan groupings of families, had different specializations in some cases, but my impression is that the lines separating samurai and non-samurai families was somewhat fluid early on. Many of the proto-samurai seem to have been displaced peasants who were skilled with a variety of weapons and worked as mercenaries, guards and `enforcers' for wealthy merchant clans. It's hard for me to see how this formation process could have wound up being as ethnically exclusive as the question—did the samurai belong to the Ainu population—seems to entail.

[SageGhost83]

Ah, here is the link:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...902&query_hl=3

I personally don't know where the ainu came from or who they could be related to. However, I think that this piece of evidence was very peculiar, and could be a possible smoking gun, so to speak.

As far as the yayoi/proto-korean link. Like I said, my prof did the research and arrived at this conclusion. Therefore, he felt it necessary to teach to his class during lecture. The guy has a PHD in Asian history and a PHD in Asian cultural studies. Technically he is a professional, and he knows his stuff. Maybe he found something that the rest of us haven't, or maybe he found something that a lot of people aren't comfortable with admitting. Kind of like how most japanese are not comfortable admitting that they have some ainu blood in them. I dunno. I am merely stating information that I have recieved from a reliable source within academia.

[SageGhost83]

I definitely see what you are saying, though. And I am pretty sure that you know your stuff, too. So if I am wrong, then I definitely and humbly stand corrected. I am still learning, so please forgive me if I come off as sounding like a total boob.

[Sukerkin]

I'm currently up to my neck in a Gran Turismo endurance race that I can't leave yet (taking a break to give my knees a rest ) but this is a subject about which I 'know' a little bit aka read somone elses work .

Consider this a place-holder post and I'll be back later (possibly tomorrow as it's late already) but the teaser-trailer is that Japanese ethnicity is more controversial than is commonly supposed.

[Blotan Hunka]

Originally Posted by exile

What I find somewhat odd is the idea that a single genetic group in feudal and post-feudal Japan would be linked to a single occupational specialization along the lines you're asking about.

Thats where I get lost here too. Is it possible that some Ainu became soldiers who eventually evolved into Samurai? I guess so. But were "Samurai Ainu"? No not all of them, thats obvious isnt it?

[exile]

Originally Posted by SageGhost83

I definitely see what you are saying, though. And I am pretty sure that you know your stuff, too. So if I am wrong, then I definitely and humbly stand corrected. I am still learning, so please forgive me if I come off as sounding like a total boob.

SG, there's nothing to forgive! There's an issue of fact here, and the facts are complex, and there's a lot of science and inference involved. Comparative linguistics isn't my chief specialization in linguistics; I'm a syntactician, but I did spend a lot of years in my early career doing research, including quite a lot of comparative linguistics, with aboriginal languages of North America. I'm approaching this question as an ordinary working skeptic, who's willing to be convinced by anyone who has the goods; but there are some major questions that I'll need a lot of convincing on, and the stuff I was talking about are some of those questions. You don't sound like a total, or even a partial boob... look, there's a lot more going on than we've yet discovered, so it would be foolish to be dogmatic. But there are are couple of pretty problematic points involved, is all...

Originally Posted by Sukerkin

I'm currently up to my neck in a Gran Turismo endurance race that I can't leave yet (taking a break to give my knees a rest ) but this is a subject about which I 'know' a little bit aka read somone elses work .

Consider this a place-holder post and I'll be back later (possibly tomorrow as it's late already) but the teaser-trailer is that Japanese ethnicity is more controversial than is commonly supposed.

Yes, this is something I've heard also from my colleagues in the East Asian dept. here. I'm very much looking forward to hearing your take on the question.

Originally Posted by Blotan Hunka

Thats where I get lost here too. Is it possible that some Ainu became soldiers who eventually evolved into Samurai? I guess so. But were "Samurai Ainu"? No not all of them, thats obvious isnt it?

What you say here is exactly what I've been thinking about this. Sure, maybe some of the samurai had Ainu ancestry... but not all of them, surely! I have to say, I'm just baffled at the idea, I can't imagine how it could have worked out that way...

[Steel Tiger]

This is interesting but a sample group of 1100 is not anywhere big enough to draw such sweeping conclusions. The development of Japanese civilisation is very interesting, as it can be viewed as a microcosm of ethnic interaction.

The oldest peoples of Japan are the Ainu who inhabited the islands with the great drift of people toward North America about 50-60 thousand years ago, or earlier, when the Bearing Strait was passable. They are probably associated with the Jomon culture (10000-300 BC).

The second people were the creators of the Yayoi culture (300BC-AD250). These people were most likely from China or Korea originally and their great centres were on Kyushu and in western Honshu. They spread rapidly throughout Honshu, driving back the Ainu natives. These people are associated with the priestess-queen Himiko (or perhaps Pimiko).

Incidently, the name Himiko, or perhaps Himemiko, is strongly related to sun worship (Himikio = Sun Priestess, Himemiko = Sun Child), and many believe that the queen of Yamataikoku may have been the origin of Amerterasu (probably combined with solar elements brought from Korea).

The third group, the Yamato (250-710), would very much appear to have come from Korea. They settled in the western parts of Honshu and are very likely to have had a close relationship with the people of Kyushu. By the end of the Yamato period they controlled half of Honshu and most of Kyushu, blending their Buddhist beliefs and culture with the beliefs and culture of the Yayoi.

It is interesting to note that they refer to the Ainu as "Emishi", earth or spider people. there was clearly a desire to portray the Ainu as less than completely human, not an uncommon tactic during warfare. The Kanto was also referred to as the frontier, and someone who messed up would be sent to the frontier to fight the Emishi.

Given the fierce reputation the Ainu appear to have had it is not surprising to see later samurai wearing masks with big fierce mustaches and masses of hair. It is very likely a throw back to the Yamato and Heian periods' conflict with the Ainu.

The liklihood of Ainu forming the 'samurai' caste of the Yayoi and Yamato cultures is slim. The evidence that Doctor Brace has found suggests that Ainu may have served among the samurai, but I do not think that they constituted the entirety or even the majority.