Information on Dr. Gyi???

[RRouuselot]

I am interested in any information on Dr. Gyi (he teaches Bando) be it good or bad.

Thanks.

[Tgace]

Ive heard his skills are good but his war stories are questionable.

[RichK]

He is incredable and his "war stories" are not questionable. Dr Gyi is on the WKKA board of directors. www.wkka.org When I had a test in front of the WKKA board of directors about 10 years ago my dad was present. Afterwards my dad came up to me and asked me who the white haired gentleman was. I told him that was Dr Mong Gyi. The next words out of his mouth was "I thought he looked familar, he taught me knife fighting techniques in the corp". That was back in ohhhhh 1967 I think, he was with 1st marine div 1st recon if my memory serves me correctly and was trained by Dr Gyi back then.

[Tgace]

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies33.htm
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies117.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Ca...e_me_wrong.htm

There are plenty of questions.....

[Tgace]

Again. Hes probably a gifted martial artist...still.

http://www.mikemiles.com/history1.html

*DR. MAUNG GYI
Maung Gyi is a prominent practitioner of Burmese Bando. The young Gyi learned from experts such as Saw Ni, Bo Mein Sa and Saya Zaw Min. In 1953, Gyi organized a small group and put on some of the earliest Kickboxing exhibitions in Tokyo. Gyi was pleased by the fact that by the late 1960's and early 1970's Kickboxing is the number one sport in Japan. Gyi had trained hard in international boxing and had even set his sights on the 1956 Olympics. He was disqualified in an elimination match for getting excited and using a Bando technique. In June 1971 Gyi defeated a middleweight boxer by TKO in the 3rd round. In December 1971 he battled a larger Lightheavyweight boxer in a 6 round brawl. He knocked his opponent out with a series of punches and kicks after being badly injured. In 20 years of fighting (under 3 names; Kobayashi, Maung Maung, and Maung Gyi) he compiled a record of 66 KO wins and 30 losses. He himself was knocked out 15 times. 9 of the knockouts were at the hands of Burmese opponents in 1956.

[Tgace]

http://martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19990
http://www.lib.msu.edu/unsworth/amer...tary/phvet.htm

[Tgace]

[Sapper6]

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...but i bet he's a great martial artist.

i wonder what people would think if their own instructor was accused of lies, theft, and down-right ********...?

but he's a great martial artist.

oh, my apologies as my post is probably unfitting for the topic at hand. but since all i know of Dr. Gyi is for the most part negative stuff, i felt most compelled to post something i do have a good understanding of, and this is character. what does this have to do with Gyi...? probably nothing.

but...

[RRouuselot]

So I guess my question is if the guy has skill like some people claim then why does he need to make up fairy tales (read lies) about his past?
It would seem if he is really that skilled then his skills could stand on their own.
As far as teaching military and law enforcement……It might sound really kool to some novice but it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
I have taught many military units and military law enforcement people. Basically anything is better than some of the crap they have been taught.
I do find people that claim to have been, but never were, in the military, especially combat, to be extremely offensive. Even more so when they claim to have confirmed kills in hand to hand. That just wreaks cowardice.

Unfortunately these days it seems many MA people haven’t got the moral fiber to tell the truth and lies are considered just an everyday part of “marketing” themselves.

[Don Roley]

Gyi's stories of combat are lies- so the question of the effectiveness of his art is questionable. If he had used stuff in combat, then we would know it worked. If some of his students had used his stuff in combat we would know the same and that he could pass those skills along to others.

But Gyi never seems to have been in combat and I know of no stories of his students using his weapons skills in combat. Incidents with knives by trained users are very low in the US.

So we are left with what we feel to be effective- and we have all had feelings about things turn out to be wrong- and simulated combat. The problem with the latter is that it is not combat and there may be things you can do in combat that would make you lose in competition and vice versa.

I have heard that a guy named Charles Daniel did some simulated combat with some students of Gyi's and won easily. I think I should point out that Daniel is a very skilled weapons man with a wide background. I do not even know the name of the person or person whom he sparred with. But from what I hear, it was a very one- sided battle.

Again, this defeat of the Gyi students was not real combat. But it is about the only thing we can judge it by. Had they won the fight, it would have proved nothing. Losing also proves nothing. But we have no real use of the weapon skills to judge them by.

[arnisador]

I have met him several times in person and I like him a lot. He is a very knowledgeable martial artist and a skilled instructor, and also very charismatic. His knife stuff is good and definitely seems oriented toward combat as opposed to self-defense--more stabbing, less laying back and defanging the snake, for instance.

I have no opinion on his war record. I do see the relevance, but the question does not appear to be settled, so I take no stance on it.

[Tgace]

Where, as martial artists and "warriors" does one draw a line between obtaining a skill and associating with persons of questionable character? Is "getting good stuff" enough to overlook the 500lb gorilla in the corner?

[RickRed]

Originally Posted by Tgace

Where, as martial artists and "warriors" does one draw a line between obtaining a skill and associating with persons of questionable character? Is "getting good stuff" enough to overlook the 500lb gorilla in the corner?

Everyone talking about the quality of the man is in the right area, I think. If your car salesman is a liar, your only going to loose money. If this guy was teaching people how to sell things, and he turned out to be a liar about his personal success in sales, he would be out of business.

The military people have no respect for his claims and don't respect his lies from reading the links. They have done it for real. If they think the person is more important than the skill, why aren't people reading the signs? The lies could mean his art is not proven too.

[Matt Stone]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm surprised this thread has lasted the 13 posts that it has...

[sarcasm]Boys and girls, have we not learned anything from the lectures on that "other" thread? Have we not taken the lessons our esteemed staff have seen fit to gift us with to heart? Mr. Gyi is not here to defend himself, so we had all best cease and desist...[/sarcasm]



This quote is exactly why these kinds of threads, ongoing and more than just links to other sites, need to be allowed:

Originally Posted by RichK

He is incredable and his "war stories" are not questionable.

Whether it is Gyi, Dillman, Mooney, or any number of other people who make claims that are either wholly fraudulent or patently absurd, sometimes people just won't believe that the story they've swallowed, regardless who they received it from, might be a lie.

And there's a huge difference between teaching HTH to Marines, being in the Marines, and being in combat with the Marines.

Whatever. I expect righteous discipline to fall from the sky like sheets of flame at any moment...

<= My most often used and most favorite smiley.

[RRouuselot]

Originally Posted by Matt Stone

1) I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I'm surprised this thread has lasted the 13 posts that it has...

2) Whether it is Gyi, Dillman, Mooney, or any number of other people who make claims that are either wholly fraudulent or patently absurd, sometimes people just won't believe that the story they've swallowed, regardless who they received it from, might be a lie.

3) And there's a huge difference between teaching HTH to Marines, being in the Marines, and being in combat with the Marines.

1) Amen to that
2) Good God I had forgotten about Mooney. Yes, some people are more into the myth than the martial side of the arts.
3) Which goes back to what I said before…..training military people is not exactly what it seems. Odd how Gyi is not mentioned in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Handbook…..you would think a person that had such a great rapport would be in it or at least mentioned in it.

I have always found that the people (members or staff) that cry foul or show animosity towards threads that expose individuals are usually the ones with a few skeletons in their closet concerning their own training……maybe these threads hit too close to home….