When Hatsumi Soke passes

[yorkshirelad]

Originally Posted by JadecloudAlchemist

If answering is explaining Japanese mannerism then yes I answered the question. If answering with explaining what will happen,what I think will happen then no I did not answer the question. I also want to point out that if a question was asked to a Japanese they might be silent which in itself is answering the question.

JCA, you are indeed knowlegeable about Japanese culture. If you are not Japanese would you please answer the question asked in the OP?

[yorkshirelad]

Originally Posted by jks9199

So, since the US supported and maintained slavery into the 1860s, it's OK for you to walk into my house and piss on the living room floor, right?

I'm assuming by this comment that you are black (I could be wrong).Is that an American, cultural protocol, I mean for a white guy to piss on the living room floor of a black guy? I assure you that I would muh rather use the toilet.

[jks9199]

Originally Posted by yorkshirelad

I'm assuming by this comment that you are black (I could be wrong).Is that an American, cultural protocol, I mean for a white guy to piss on the living room floor of a black guy? I assure you that I would muh rather use the toilet.

My point was that you cannot use the wrongs committed by one culture (or more accurately, one segment of one culture) to justify your own insensitivity or rudeness. A point that does seem to be eluding you.

[elder999]

Originally Posted by arnisador

I disagree. I don't train it it so it's not my business; but having seen what deaths at the top have done to other arts I've trained in (and even ones I haven't been involved with), and how it can sour one's experience, anyone investing time and money in this system has a stake in knowing whether it'll continue as a respected system after the current head's death, or splinter, or be put in the hands of someone less talented (compare what happened to Isshin-ryu when Kichiro Shimabuku was chosen over Angi Uezu, for example). If you train in the Bujinkan, this affects your future.

There have been cases of this happening in arts where the successor was named and known to all seniors while the head was still among the living. It's human nature, and you really can't worry over much about it, especially if you're not in that heirarchy.

Or, to paraphrase someone: Shut up and train.

[elder999]

Originally Posted by yorkshirelad

JCA, you are indeed knowlegeable about Japanese culture. If you are not Japanese would you please answer the question asked in the OP?

He already has.

[yorkshirelad]

Originally Posted by jks9199

My point was that you cannot use the wrongs committed by one culture (or more accurately, one segment of one culture) to justify your own insensitivity or rudeness. A point that does seem to be eluding you.

But that's just it mate, my initial question was neither insensitive or rude. For instance, if I was living in the 18th century and had an audience with Washington at Mount Vernon and expressed that maybe it was wrong of him to own slaves, then maybe my statement would've been considered rude, but times change. The Japanese used Tameshigiri on the necks of POWs because they considered it culturally sound as these men had committed the ultimate no no and surrendered and all this was less than a century ago. All I'm saying is that what maybe rude to one culture is perfectly acceptible to another. If I lived, worked and interacted with the Japanese on a regular basis, I would've been aware of this, but I don't so I have not bee (until now).

Again, I thought it would be interesting to get various opinions on how The Bujinkan would be when Hatsumi is no longer here to lead. The same question has been asked of Martiasl Arts leaders in the past (to their face) and the question was answered without offense. It's not like I walked up to Hatsumi and said "When you croke, can I be Soke?" I believe I've asked a valid question. A question on an predominantly English speaking forum founded i the US, with it's member base largely in the US and Europe.

[yorkshirelad]

Originally Posted by elder999

It's human nature, and you really can't worry .

It's not worrying, I just thought it was an interesting question, but again if I was anactive member, who paid dues and cared about the art, I would like to know in which direction the art was heading. Again, I'm not Japanese, so maybe I should find a feudal European system and go around dressed as a knight. I will look for a legitimate master at the next Renaissance Fair

[Carol]

I know someone that hired a gentleman in to a position that requires a lot of driving. Some months in to the job, the man requested a transfer to a different position, stating that medically, they could not do the job anymore.

The person's boss is in my business networking group and wondered why this issue didn't come up before? The man stated that they had the medical issue for awhile, and had done plenty of driving in the past, and initially saw no reason why they couldn't drive for a living.

It wasn't until the man was in the role for a good amount of time that he realized that driving for a living was not something he could do safely...and he was just as disappointed as his manager was with the news.


Regardless of what plans the organization has -- as far as I know they have been silent, which is their right -- we won't know what happens until the folks in the org have to live the circumstances of an org without Dr. Hatsumi. Maybe it will stay consolidated, maybe it will fracture, maybe something entirely different. Only time will tell.

As Arnisador mentioned, there have been many instances in the past where an organization has fractured after the death of a charismatic soke. However, I think its important to note that the fracturing of an organization has not resulted in the death of an art or system, nor has it resulted in an environment where the practitioners could not continue to learn and grow.

One way or another the folks in the Bujinkan will...keep going.

[yorkshirelad]

Originally Posted by Carol Kaur

One way or another the folks in the Bujinkan will...keep going.

As may "Thanks" is not working, I'll give you a QFT Carol.