Kenpo/kempo vs. muay thai

[Xinglu]

Thanks for clarifying

Yes, preference is an important factor: People need to train in arts they LIKE and suit their learning style/natural tendencies. Otherwise, they either stop or never become as effective as they can/should be.

[Manny]

Originally Posted by Xinglu

Thanks for clarifying

Yes, preference is an important factor: People need to train in arts they LIKE and suit their learning style/natural tendencies. Otherwise, they either stop or never become as effective as they can/should be.

Exactly!!! last year when I wanted to crosstraining I took a look at wath was available on my city, Shotokan Karate seemed to sdomething like the TKD I do but more hands than feet, then I went to aikido (I trained aikido for a few months many years ago) but then I feel it was not for me, judo too but then I found Kenpo Karate and tried and liked.

Kenpo is very diferent to TKD cause in Kenpo has a little more self defense tachs in the regular class than TKD that involves kicking the most and kickin drills, Kenpo uses mora hands and low kicks and lots os SD techs.

I tried a couple of kick boxing clases and graping clases inside the Kenpo dojo but I liked Kenpo the most, as you may see it's a matter of tastes.

Manny

[Xinglu]

Originally Posted by Manny

Kenpo is very diferent to TKD cause in Kenpo has a little more self defense tachs in the regular class than TKD that involves kicking the most and kickin drills, Kenpo uses mora hands and low kicks and lots os SD techs.

Well... I know that when I break my TSD forms down, the bunkai and oyo bunkai are amazing.

I only say this because I keep hearing you say you feel Knepo has more SD to offer. Maybe on the surface this is easily concluded, but if you look deeply into each art you might come away with a different view.

Unfortunately most TSD/TKD schoold I have seen don't delve into their hyungs and the bunkai very much if at all. Intead they offer some one, two, three steps and some rudimentary SD techs. But, you should take each principle of each kata/hyung and find five different ways ways against five different attacks to apply these princibles and you will find that TSD/TKD has just as many SD "techniques" as Kenpo does. They are just not put out there and cannonized into the ciruculum as they are in Kenpo. This has advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes people train the techs and not the principles thinking that the techs are what will save their ass in combat. But on the other-hand, if the princibles are trained but the bunkai and oyo bunkai are not, then you have nothing as well.

Just look deeply into Bassai or any of the three Nihanji and you will find more SD techniques then you'll probably know what to do with. Look at each technique found within the Kee-Cho and Pyung-ahn forms and you will spend years before you run out of SD techniques.

Something I have found in TSD is that while the bunkai and oyo bunkai of the gup level forms will make you a effective fighter once you break into the Cho Dan and higher level forms, the bunkai becomes far more dynamic, deadly, and effective.

[Manny]

Originally Posted by Xinglu

Well... I know that when I break my TSD forms down, the bunkai and oyo bunkai are amazing.

I only say this because I keep hearing you say you feel Knepo has more SD to offer. Maybe on the surface this is easily concluded, but if you look deeply into each art you might come away with a different view.

Unfortunately most TSD/TKD schoold I have seen don't delve into their hyungs and the bunkai very much if at all. Intead they offer some one, two, three steps and some rudimentary SD techs. But, you should take each principle of each kata/hyung and find five different ways ways against five different attacks to apply these princibles and you will find that TSD/TKD has just as many SD "techniques" as Kenpo does. They are just not put out there and cannonized into the ciruculum as they are in Kenpo. This has advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes people train the techs and not the principles thinking that the techs are what will save their ass in combat. But on the other-hand, if the princibles are trained but the bunkai and oyo bunkai are not, then you have nothing as well.

Just look deeply into Bassai or any of the three Nihanji and you will find more SD techniques then you'll probably know what to do with. Look at each technique found within the Kee-Cho and Pyung-ahn forms and you will spend years before you run out of SD techniques.

Something I have found in TSD is that while the bunkai and oyo bunkai of the gup level forms will make you a effective fighter once you break into the Cho Dan and higher level forms, the bunkai becomes far more dynamic, deadly, and effective.

In my TKD dojang we do TaeGuks and practice one step sparring but not too ofthen, we don-t do any kind of bunkai. I practice more self defense in the kenpo dojo than in my tkd dojan.

Manny

[Xinglu]

Originally Posted by Manny

In my TKD dojang we do TaeGuks and practice one step sparring but not too ofthen, we don-t do any kind of bunkai. I practice more self defense in the kenpo dojo than in my tkd dojan.

Manny

One steps are... well, I have nothing good to say about them except that maybe they are good for kids to get used to having a punch thrown at them. So I won't say any more about them.

My advice, and what I have done with all my TSD forms is to explore the bunkai on your own. Dig deep, look hard, and try many things with the movements to see what you could do. If you could eventually blend your Kenpo and TKD, I think you would have a good blend that would be unorthodox compared to solo practitioners of either art. Since you are a BB in TKD, it is time that you start peeling away the layers of the art, and IMHO, bunkai is one of the best ways to do this.

[shaolinmonkmark]

my "main" art is shaolin kempo, but my school also incorporates Mua thai, as well.
Muay thai fighters are tough, and yes,try throwing a nice 7 to 10 hit kempo hand combo, do not be suprised to see at least 6 of the 7 to 10 strikes get blocked/absorbed by limbs.
They know how to absorb,deflect/parry, and "Eat" shots.
now, the "high to low/Low to high principle is good to throw at them.
)