BJJ techniques for women

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Tez3

We have a futon in our club so that bit's easy for us. i'll bring it up with our instructor, see what he thinks. It may look pretty strange if we have visitors on the night we are practising on a bed though!!

"It's a technique. Really."

[MJS]

Originally Posted by Tez3

Ok I tried it out with the guys, five of them of various sizes and weights. the answer is I couldn't make it work, the problem is the very first move, if they were being compliant yes it's a perfectly good move but when I asked them not to be it was impossible to move their arms. If you can catch them unawares perhaps you can move them but you are going to have to be well practiced, used to grappling and fast.

Great points! IMO, this is something that I would have liked to have seen on the clip...once the technique was shown slowly, add in some resistance to ensure that it will work. Now, you obviously have alot of MMA/grappling time in, and you were still finding it a bit difficult. Now, imagine someone with no background at all trying to make this work.

[Tez3]

Originally Posted by MJS

Great points! IMO, this is something that I would have liked to have seen on the clip...once the technique was shown slowly, add in some resistance to ensure that it will work. Now, you obviously have alot of MMA/grappling time in, and you were still finding it a bit difficult. Now, imagine someone with no background at all trying to make this work.

That's what I was thinking. it's a good technique to have, you need to get the hands quickly before they realise whats happening (like nearly all techniques really) and get the following technique as quickly, easy enough if you are practised and experienced enough to have alternatives ready in case that doesn't go your way. It's a matter of knowing when to get the hands moved otherwise a man will just be too strong. Again it's experience that will tell you when.
I liked that the video showed to go on to your forehead if the attacker was strong though. It will work against the guys when I'm grappling I think but I really doubt a non BJJ/MMA person could do it at the right time and correctly.

[Brian R. VanCise]

The Kimora or Reverse Bent Arm Lock is a very effective technique. Definitely a shoulder separator. From there your opponent has one less functional arm! I have used it on individuals that have well out weighed me by over a hundred pounds. (this was rolling with full resistance) Several of them weight lifting muscle men! As to her demonstration and also the arm bar variation. Well I was not very fond of either. Technically I saw a few things that I did not like particularly involving some space regarding the way she showed the Kimora. There was also no talk of keeping the leg over the back to prevent the roll out. The armbar variation at the end well good luck with that.

[Tez3]

Originally Posted by Brian R. VanCise

The Kimora or Reverse Bent Arm Lock is a very effective technique. Definitely a shoulder separator. From there your opponent has one less functional arm! I have used it on individuals that have well out weighed me by over a hundred pounds. (this was rolling with full resistance) Several of them weight lifting muscle men! As to her demonstration and also the arm bar variation. Well I was not very fond of either. Technically I saw a few things that I did not like particularly involving some space regarding the way she showed the Kimora. There was also no talk of keeping the leg over the back to prevent the roll out. The armbar variation at the end well good luck with that.

I agree. people who can make it work will be people who have experience. I can't see it as a SD move for non grapplers.

[jarrod]

Originally Posted by Tez3

Thing is I do MMA and I couldn't get the guys arms moved, they couldn't move each others either, it became a strength for strength match and wasn't going anywhere. It would work in an MMA/BJJ situation if you used it quickly before your opponent realised and put their full strength into it. Used in a SD situation by women not used to grappling I doubt it could work as a single move.
The guys didn't know at first what I was going to do as I tried the non complaint way first, I asked them each to get into my guard and place their hands by my hips and resist anything I would try. It wasn't till I'd worked my way around all of them and a couple tried among themselves that I then asked them not to resist and showed them what the move was. I should add I did the techniques as shown on the video and it was with a SD head on because that was the subject of the thread.

ah, my mistake, i didn't know you were an MMAist.

Originally Posted by Tez3

I agree. people who can make it work will be people who have experience. I can't see it as a SD move for non grapplers.

i agree. while grappling is important for SD, it's not something you can sample a little here & there.

jf

[MA-Caver]

Originally Posted by Carol Kaur

"It's a technique. Really."

Technique (in bed) is always important!

[jarrod]

Originally Posted by MA-Caver

Technique (in bed) is always important!

it is, but i think too many over emphasize techniqe at the expense of focus & intensity. &, as is often the case, the larger person has an advantage when technique is equal :P

jf

[Sukerkin]

Of course, being an innocent Englishman, I have no idea at all where this conversation is leading now .

I trained to break things whilst standing up and our 'groundwork' consisted of very nasty, last ditch, techniques that I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to do in real life. So I do not have any experience with grappling.

That said, is it the case that the timing of this technique is vitally important, such that you have to be aware enough of the situation to begin the move to 'unseat' the arms before the larger opponents weight comes down on his hands fully?

I can see that if you can catch him in 'weight transition' then that manoever to shrug the arms out to the side would work well enough, allowing a quick 'wrap' around the arm before he can recover balance.

[Tez3]

Originally Posted by jarrod

ah, my mistake, i didn't know you were an MMAist.



i agree. while grappling is important for SD, it's not something you can sample a little here & there.

jf

Yeah I do MMA (and TMA!) for my sins! far too old for both really lol!
a couple of the guys I tried this move with said it's unlikely a guy would put his hands on the hips/stomach that way unless he knew some BJJ and was trying to break the guard (with the elbows a move everyone I know hates lol) One suggested it's more likely one hand would be over the girl's mouth or round the throat for compliance or groping the breasts.

[Tez3]

Originally Posted by Sukerkin

Of course, being an innocent Englishman, I have no idea at all where this conversation is leading now .

I trained to break things whilst standing up and our 'groundwork' consisted of very nasty, last ditch, techniques that I'm not sure I could ever bring myself to do in real life. So I do not have any experience with grappling.

That said, is it the case that the timing of this technique is vitally important, such that you have to be aware enough of the situation to begin the move to 'unseat' the arms before the larger opponents weight comes down on his hands fully?

I can see that if you can catch him in 'weight transition' then that manoever to shrug the arms out to the side would work well enough, allowing a quick 'wrap' around the arm before he can recover balance.

That's the trick to it, catching him at the right time! going from the point in the video where the arms were very firmly on the body there was no way I could move the mens arms. I think if it had shown the moves before and, as has been said, some moves for after it would have been much better.


For myself, I've always found smaller people try harder rofl!!

[Si-Je]

In a context of rape prevention, she could keep her knees together and push them into the attackers stomach/solar plexes to keep his full body weight off her and allow her more room to manuver her way out from under him. While the knees are pushing forward into him kick the feet/shins under his armpits. When he shifts body position to punch, choke, or wrestle away, kick him in the side/armpit and roll him over.
The ferver of his strength and attack will help her do this.

If you keep the knees tightly together and he trys to pry her legs apart, well his hands and arms are busy with that effort leaving his face, and throat open for attacks. (eye gouge, throat chop or gouge, punches, palm strikes, etc.) Plus, you can also go to a few arm bars, and submissions from there too.

Just some ideas. To keep a man from rape, I would think it would be good to keep the pelvis of the man away. She could be wearing a dress or skirt, or be in P.J.'s for bed.

[donna]

This is more like the way I was taught,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMXRwXkpu5A.

It is still difficult to do with a resisting large opponent. I agree that timing and the element of suprise would help.