Sexual assault statistics.

[arnisador]

Sexual assault statistics:
http://www.rainn.org/statistics.html



And he’s not hiding in the bushes…
[Statistics in this section are from: Sex Offenses and Offenders. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, February 1997:
About four out of ten sexual assaults take place at the victim’s own home. Two in ten take place in the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. One in ten take place outside, away from home. And about one in 12 take place in a parking garage.
More than half of all rape/sexual assault incidents were reported by victims to have occurred within one mile of their home or at their home.
43% of rapes occur between 6 pm and midnight. 24% occur between midnight and 6am. The other 33% take place between 6am and 6pm.




In 2001, only about 7% of rapes involved the use of a weapon—two percent used a gun, and four percent used a knife. 86% of victims reported the use of physical force only, and 7% were unsure.

This certainly bolsters the case for training in a grappling system for sexual assault self-defense over a stand-up system, to my mind.

[Ginsu]

This certainly bolsters the case for training in a grappling system for sexual assault self-defense over a stand-up system, to my mind.

Interesting, does not show why one would want to learn a grappling art over a stand up striking art for self defense in this type of situation. Still interesting all the same.


Ginsu

[arnisador]

Originally posted by Ginsu
Interesting, does not show why one would want to learn a grappling art over a stand up striking art for self defense in this type of situation.

Just my take on the what I read. Since the vast majority seem to occur inside and with no weapon involved, and since so often the attacker is known and hence likely to be able to get close, and given the particular physical nature of the crime, grappling seems a likely outcome. If weapons were more commonly used I might feel otherwise.

Of course, it may be that weapons were present in cases where they were not used, and might have been used if needed.

[Ceicei]

Originally posted by arnisador This certainly bolsters the case for training in a grappling system for sexual assault self-defense over a stand-up system, to my mind.

On the other hand, I don't really wish to have to go into close proximity in order to use grappling moves. I'd rather create as much distance with a striking style.:lookie:

-- Ceicei

However, I really don't know of any grappling moves, so I can't say that I prefer a striking style without having tried a grappling style.:uhohh:

[lvwhitebir]

Originally posted by arnisador
Just my take on the what I read. Since the vast majority seem to occur inside and with no weapon involved, and since so often the attacker is known and hence likely to be able to get close, and given the particular physical nature of the crime, grappling seems a likely outcome. If weapons were more commonly used I might feel otherwise.

I agree. Since it's someone you know, you're more likely to start in grappling range and need to find a way to create the distance. To me, that's learning how to do rudimentary grappling; learning open guard defenses, escaping mounts, reversing the guard, general fighting from your back, and learning how to get up properly.

I don't think weapons change the equation. They are still that close when it starts.

But... you also have to temper it with the fact that out of all crimes committed against women, only 1.9 in 1000 are sexual assault crimes. 19.4 in 1000 are assaults, which does call for stand-up defenses. So I say, both are absolutely required for women's self defense.

(from Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2001 Statistics Tables)


WhiteBirch

[Elfan]

Perhaps it would be better to say that learning to fight "in close" ("grapling range" but that doesn't mean you can't strike) is important even though a large number of people are probably more uncomfortorble training that close.

[JD_Nelson]

just a few thoughts roughly put out for ideas


What about a muy thai clinch with pulling the head down and using the knee. maybe a knee to the groin, sternum, or nose???

What about a strike of any kind to the collar bone?? if this is a bone that is easy to break then with the shoulder girdle being out of whack the attacker would have less ability to maybe pin and hold down the victim??


Salute :asian:

JD

[MJS]

Its sad to see many Inst. teaching a womens SD course, and not including ground fighting. I mean, the majority of the times, the attacker is going to attempt to put the woman on the ground anyway, so if she has no idea what to do, she's pretty much out of luck. Alot of times, rather than seeing some practical things taught, you see things that probably wont stand much of a chance working, such as wrist locks, finger locks, etc. It takes a long time to fully understand how to properly apply these moves, and it isnt going to happen in a short SD class!!!

You want to teach the women in the class some effective strikes and kicks and have them apply them on someone. Sure a lock is good, I'm not saying it isn't, but if I had to teach her one thing, it would be to strike, not stand around and try to get a finger lock.

Mike

[KenpoTess]

In our studio we not only teach American Kenpo but Samurai Jiu-jitsu. Street fighting is down and dirty and when the attacker gets the woman on the ground, the man generally has a weight and strength advantage, so the grappling training may save a life. Releases from chokes, nerve strikes, sleepers, to knowing how to fall properly without getting hurt, or rolling to safety is good stuff to know. We even take our Kenpo and apply it on the ground, a sword hand to the throat, palm heels, eye jabs, rakes, (great if a woman has sharp nails) you modify the tec to the attack :)

Unfortunately in this day and age of more sexual attacks occuring, Women and yes men (it happens more than we want to know) are ill-equipped to protect themselves and alot of them live in a place where they think it will never happen to them.

Tess

[XxSweetFacadexX]

i honest to God do not know why i'm responding in this thread. anything related to this topic just opens wounds. hell, i can't even say the word.

anyway.

you wanna talk about stats. but i thought that i should add that majority of women do not report what happened. stats saying things like one women will be assaulted in x amount of seconds do not take into factor those that haven't reported it.

as for learning grappling and martial arts... i think that every girl should be learning something. anything to increase chances of getting away and surviving. of course, if something still ends up happening, she will blame herself even more because she was taught how to defend herself.

i'm blabbing and i don't think this is very useful.. but here's my two-cents anyway.

[KenpoTess]

Originally posted by XxSweetFacadexX
i honest to God do not know why i'm responding in this thread. anything related to this topic just opens wounds. hell, i can't even say the word.

anyway.

you wanna talk about stats. but i thought that i should add that majority of women do not report what happened. stats saying things like one women will be assaulted in x amount of seconds do not take into factor those that haven't reported it.

as for learning grappling and martial arts... i think that every girl should be learning something. anything to increase chances of getting away and surviving. of course, if something still ends up happening, she will blame herself even more because she was taught how to defend herself.

i'm blabbing and i don't think this is very useful.. but here's my two-cents anyway.


You're not babbling and I feel for you..

I was 14 when I was raped by the father of the child I was babysitting... and it messed me up for years afterward, in my situation, I was drugged (brownies supposedly left in kindness for the babysitter-laced with Hashish) I fortunately bear little recollection of the rape....my parents called the police.. the guy split.. and never paid any price..
Some people are sub-human.......

[Ceicei]

Originally posted by XxSweetFacadexX
As for learning grappling and martial arts... i think that every girl should be learning something. anything to increase chances of getting away and surviving. of course, if something still ends up happening, she will blame herself even more because she was taught how to defend herself.


So true. Every woman do need to realize that martial arts is is not an iron-clad defense that will always work each time. It does, however, give us a fighting chance at survival.

Self-blame and unresolved internal anger should be avoided as much as possible, yet is the hardest to deal with. After any traumatic experience, there will always be "what ifs" (if I had defended differently--done this or that...) It doesn't do any good to constantly think about these and slowly destroy ourselves in the process.

I guess what I'm trying to say is even the best martial artist can err.

- Ceicei

[lvwhitebir]

Originally posted by XxSweetFacadexX
you wanna talk about stats. but i thought that i should add that majority of women do not report what happened.

One of the last surveys I saw (yes another stat) is that less than 50% of rapes are reported, even less for attempted rape (39.3%), and even less for sexual assault (34.4%).

For rapes committed by a non-stranger, which make up about 80% of the rapes, less than 31.9% are reported.

The biggest reason given... is that it's a "Private or Personal Matter" (about 30%).

This is really a big problem that people think they are alone to fight. We need to let people know that it isn't their fault. They were attacked and there may be more victims that do or will also feel alone.

Survivors are very likely to commit suicide afterwards and suffer all sorts of trauma. They need to be pampered and made to believe that it isn't their fault. Survivors that fight back tend to suffer less damage from the assault itself and from the psychological trauma afterwards. So even if you don't win, you will be better off if you at least fight back.

WhiteBirch

[IsshinryuKarateGirl]

Originally posted by KenpoTess
You're not babbling and I feel for you..

I was 14 when I was raped by the father of the child I was babysitting... and it messed me up for years afterward, in my situation, I was drugged (brownies supposedly left in kindness for the babysitter-laced with Hashish) I fortunately bear little recollection of the rape....my parents called the police.. the guy split.. and never paid any price..
Some people are sub-human.......

See, it's things like what happened to you that make me sick. I think, how in the world could someone do something like this...but then again, people nowadays are just sick. After starting in the martial arts, I am always aware of my surroundins, people near me, what kind of floor I'm standing on, how much space is around me, wierd things like that. I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just very aware of my surroundings and am always ready if an attacker comes my way. And with things like this happeneing all the time, I'm always watching over my shoulder.

[XxSweetFacadexX]

Originally posted by lvwhitebir
The biggest reason given... is that it's a "Private or Personal Matter" (about 30%).

WhiteBirch

i thought it was a private or personal matter. how does telling 10+ people about what happened gonna help? it didn't happen to them, so why let it affect them?

going to court and trial never guarantees the person will be punished. more likely, the girl's words will be twisted and somehow he'll get nothing. especially if the girl was drugged or at a party or drunk.

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by XxSweetFacadexX
i thought it was a private or personal matter. how does telling 10+ people about what happened gonna help? it didn't happen to them, so why let it affect them?

going to court and trial never guarantees the person will be punished. more likely, the girl's words will be twisted and somehow he'll get nothing. especially if the girl was drugged or at a party or drunk.

XxSweetFacadexX,

Telling 10+ people allows those people to be aware of the person in question. This allows people to know not to trust them. It also allows you to bring out the things and issues that may be causing you problems deep down and inside. If you find the right person to talk to, then you might get the right amount of sympathy and or empathy to help you recover and move forward with the rest of your life. If you keep it inside all to yourself and blame yourself, then it could come out in the future in a relationship wiht a person you care about. And yes this might be the person you need to comfort from. Yet if it comes out negatively towards the person you are in the relationship with then it has negatively impacted you and the ones you care about years later. Talking about it will not gaurentee that problems and issues will not arise int the future, it just gives you better odds on handling them in the future. Talking also allows for you (* Generic you implied here *) to resolve the issue and to not create a habit of being a person who puts themselves into bad situations to punish themselves for the past.


Yes Going to court does not guarentee anything. It also brings back the old memories for the person assualted, and the defendant will have their attorney do anything, including call you names and get you to look bad. It may not be the right thing, yet if you have the strength, this also gets the word out about this type of person so it makes it harder for them to be trusted or to work with children or . . ., .

Yet, I understand that will be a lot of pain involved and may not be worth it to the individual, to go to court. I still think that talking to someone is a good thing. Even if it is a Priest(ess) or a Psychologist (* Neither prescribe pills *), these people can help someone work through the issues and events. They also are not in your immediately circle of friends and therefore one might not want feel embarassed.

With Respect
:asian:

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by KenpoTess
You're not babbling and I feel for you..
. . .
Some people are sub-human.......

Tess,

I once had a girl friend, she jokingly said no. I stoped kissing her and did not touch her the rest of the evening. She was upset with me. I aksed her, how do I know she is joking? How do I know she is serious? I have to assume she is serious.

A friend of mine and myself have a lot in coming. His ex-wife and my ex-wife did very similar things. My friends happened a few years before my situation. They both told all their friends and family that we forced them to have sex. My friend was devistated and actually changed jobs and moved and lost lots of friends. In this case I only have his word, yet she was the one with a boyfriend and married less than a year after the divorce. In my case, she said it to me. It was devastating. I asked her, are you serious? She Said Yes. She also told our mutual friends, some beleived her, others came to me in disbelief. Later the in the discussion, she told me it was not Force in the terms of rape, more of guilting her into sex. This was almost as bad, for it seemed like she was trying to back up and take back what she had said. Yet, the damage to me had already been done.


I told them all, It is not what I thought, it is what she thought happened that defined the moment. It was not the intent of my/our actions but the impact of our actions. After talking to many people including a psychologist, I realized I can only take the blame and responsibility for the action and events that I have control over. I cannot control nor be responsible for how she believed.

It is a serious issue and should be discussed, and dealt with. And I thank you Tess for discussing you situation with us here.

Sorry for the Rant

With Respect
:asian:

[KenpoTess]

Hey Rich :)

It boggles my mind the games people play with each other's emotions throughout the years of relationship testings.. Females are as much to blame for head games as guys are.. Guys betting on who they can score with.. girls are not much better .. just play differently.. not so vocally shall I say.. but it's still real. Sex should always be consensual, and depending on the maturity of the partners (not necessarily age dependant (I've met many people my own age who are still game players) it should never be used as a weapon, a hold over someone, a demand, but it has been and probably will continue to do so throughout history.
Rape is not a consensual act, it's a violation beyond repair, Date Rape is so common and always has been.. just not brought to the media's attention until the last decade or so.

It is hard to read another person's heart and mind, Women with their emotions and hormones they say are difficult.. Men have emotions and hormones also, but they are trained to keep them in check, No is no .. and if either one means something else.. and it's not meant as No... they can bugger off...

what happened to you and your friend.. only you know what really happend to you and your girlfriend Rich, if you're guilt free in your heart .. by really examining the facts.. then don't fret.. because facts don't lie.. but there's many motives people have.. just rely on the truths :)

Just rambling on :)

[KenpoTess]

Originally posted by IsshinryuKarateGirl
See, it's things like what happened to you that make me sick. I think, how in the world could someone do something like this...but then again, people nowadays are just sick. After starting in the martial arts, I am always aware of my surroundins, people near me, what kind of floor I'm standing on, how much space is around me, wierd things like that. I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just very aware of my surroundings and am always ready if an attacker comes my way. And with things like this happeneing all the time, I'm always watching over my shoulder.

Unfortunately we as citizens of today's society have allowed this to continue throughout history. The Media bears witness to travesties in movies, commercials and broadcastings, Rapists that go to prison are thought to be rehabilitated, it's a violent crime yet they get counselled. .. do they expect a murderer to be rehabilitated? I don't get it.. and probably it will never change in my life time.. but we as humans .. females as well as males can protect ourselves and our children and that's something as a martial artist I am endeavoring to pass on to others so they don't become victims :)

Tess

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by KenpoTess
Hey Rich :)

. . .
what happened to you and your friend.. only you know what really happend to you and your girlfriend Rich, if you're guilt free in your heart .. by really examining the facts.. then don't fret.. because facts don't lie.. but there's many motives people have.. just rely on the truths :)

Just rambling on :)

Tess,

Thanks for the reply :D

I know what I did, and spent many a night going over events and trying to see if there was ever anything not right. I did not see and still do not see anything. I rely on the truths, which is why I still have many of the friends she was telling her stories too. They evaluated her and myself and believed me, and or supported me.

This side discussion in no way takes away from the trauma of the this thread.
:asian:

[Seig]

Having dealt with the animals that perpetrate these kinds of crimes, I have no sympathy for their "illness" as some quacks have labeled it. Having once been accused of rape while working in the juvenile detention system, I bear a strong grudge against anyone that participates in this kind of crime in any way. When Tess and I got together, the first thing I did was to teach her basic firearm safety, and then personal self-defense. When I was satisifed that she had a good start on defending herself against an attacker, I taught her how to "use" a firearm. I made her run through several hundred rounds in different postures and firing patterns. I have even purchase her her own small handgun. By small, I mean a cut down .40 cal.Mini-Firestorm (http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/minispecs.htm) This is not politcally correct, but in MY opinion, the only way to rehabilitate a rapist is in a coffin.

[Ceicei]

Originally posted by Seig
When Tess and I got together, the first thing I did was to teach her basic firearm safety, and then personal self-defense. When I was satisifed that she had a good start on defending herself against an attacker, I taught her how to "use" a firearm. I made her run through several hundred rounds in different postures and firing patterns. I have even purchase her her own small handgun. By small, I mean a cut down .40 cal.Mini-Firestorm (http://www.firestorm-sgs.com/minispecs.htm) This is not politcally correct, but in MY opinion, the only way to rehabilitate a rapist is in a coffin.

As I mentioned to another user on MartialTalk, there are some people who ask, "If you are in martial arts, why have a gun?"

My response is, "Why not?"

A gun, by itself, is not evil. It is just a tool. Its the intention of the person using the gun whether it is for good or bad purposes.

I believe a gun has its place, when the individual is responsible and properly trained. It is just an extension of being responsible for our own safety. It is knowing how, when, and where to use it and to have an understanding of state weapons law.

I do have a Utah carry permit. I was trained by a Provo City police lieutenant and go to the shooting range often.

My husband travels a lot, so there are days I am home alone with my children. I work as a night time college instructor too. During the daytime, I am a government worker and some people I deal with can turn violent. Martial arts usually can keep people at bay; sometimes depending on the situation, it is not enough.

- Ceicei

[Seig]

People sometimes give me grief about my guns. They say inane things like,"You are a weapon, you don't need a gun."
I have two responses,
1.) No one needs a gun, until they need it very badly.
2.) The gun is an extension of my training and mindset.

[Cruentus]

I half-kiddingly say: It's not a weapon, it's a tool. I'm the weapon!

:cool: