push ups

[TallAdam85]

How many of you Many your students do push for there rank? Also how many for there rank? Does everyone do push ups at there school or do some people think there a waste of time lets hear what you have to say.
:asian:

[TallAdam85]

my school makes us do push ups for are rank. I personaly hate them I know they are good for arm power and speed but I just hate the does anyone like them?

[c2kenpo]

We currently do not require pushups or situps for rank at all. We do however encourage students to practive those things and live a healthy lifestyle by "setting the example" I know before I teach a class I get in front of the class and do 20 pushups or 20 crunches.
I just tell the kids I have to "warm-up" since I am older with a joking grin and invite them to join me. Suprisingly they want to do them to prove that they can and I am not making it seem like work or a punishment.

David Gunzburg

[tonbo]

Pushups for rank? Really?

Hm. Well, we do pushups and crunches (situps) as part of our warmups, generally, but they are not a normal part of our rank tests. I had to do pushups and crunches during one belt test a number of years ago, but that was most likely because I was tighter than a spring, and needed to loosen up a bit as we moved through the test. I think the most we did was 20, so it was more of a token thing than anything else.

I can't see how it would be much of a component to a rank test, unless pushups were being used as either filler or a torture device designed to wear out your students and push them to and beyond their limits. I would think you could do that with techniques and kata, but.....;)

Peace--

[jeffkyle]

Originally posted by c2kenpo
We currently do not require pushups or situps for rank at all. We do however encourage students to practive those things and live a healthy lifestyle by "setting the example" I know before I teach a class I get in front of the class and do 20 pushups or 20 crunches.
I just tell the kids I have to "warm-up" since I am older with a joking grin and invite them to join me. Suprisingly they want to do them to prove that they can and I am not making it seem like work or a punishment.

David Gunzburg

Good way to handle it! I like that idea! :)

[jeffkyle]

I personally don't mind doing them, however they ARE tough!
But i think they should be done as a means to push you toward getting a little stronger and working the muscles. Not as a means to wear you out so that you can't do anything else in the class/test.

[jwreck]

We do push ups every class, but it has nothing to do with rank, or arm strength. we do them on our wrist to help condition the wrist and increase flexibility. We never do traditional push-ups.

[Shodan]

Yeah- at our school, we always do push ups during the warm-up section of class- but I have never seen them done for rank or promotion or anything like that. Sometimes we will have the kids do push-ups for acting up in class. I do remember one time in my earlier Kenpo days, the instructor having us do push ups if our belt tips were not even. :asian: :karate:

[roryneil]

We do pushups every class, so the instructor should know wether or not you can do the required ammount by the time you test.

It's funny, but in class we do 50 pushups in our warm up, and in class I can crank them out. But if I do them at home, I feel like quitting around 10! Does anyone else find this?

It seems harder to do push ups than bench your weight, so we probably should do more. I know boxers do hundreds, so we should too.

[Cruentus]

No Bullstuff.

What rank would that make me?;)

[c2kenpo]

Originally posted by jeffkyle
Good way to handle it! I like that idea! :)

Kids want to prove themselves to you. So give them a chance and even if it is not perfect give them a high five or a "great job" anyways. I also do all kinds of different pushups too to vary up and give them a challenge.

Look up different ways to do them and then try a few in class for fun.

BlockSet 1 fast a you can 5 push ups!
Block Set 1 fast as you can 4 push ups!
again 3 push ups 2 push ups 1 ..etc.......

sit ups...whatever..but DO THEM WITH THEM!!!:)
The most important part is that they see you doing it.
Do as I do not as I say.....

Just some ideas.

Dave Gunzburg

[TKDman]

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Whatever happened to Mr. Miogi?

[Dan Anderson]

Yes - all students from 5 years old on up do 20 push ups as part of their warm up routine. We don't do them for testing. I do have kids that break the rules do push ups to make up for the rule break.

Yours,
Dan Anderson

[Ender]

We had to do 100 sit ups, push ups, etc right BEFORE testing for Black.

[A.R.K.]

I prefer for my BB's to be able to do;

250 Hindu push ups

500 Hindu squats

3 minute back bridge

3 sets up handstand push ups

This includes me! However if there is a valid reason one cannot perform to this level I will by no means hold them back.

:asian:

[progressivetactics]

We do pushups often as warm up and as punishment. All instructors do push ups while the class does them. All black belts assisting on the floor do them as well as the instructor and students. We are a team Grow together, suffer together, acheive together.

We have push ups, sit ups and jumping jacks as part of the rank requirement also. Incremental for the gup testing for. We do our testing differently then most. I pull people off to the side 1 by 1 or in small groups, and we go over 1 or 2 of the requirements towards their next rank. When they have successfully completed all requirements, they are promoted. We only do a formal test 2 times per year. For 1st dan, 50 push ups, 100 sit ups and 100 jumping jacks. We don't have huge requirements, but it is part of the goal setting and strengthening process we do.

I do disguise alot of the push ups as well. I will, instead of counting them out, make the people repeat what I say...and 1 word per motion... so It on the way down we could say "I"; up would be "intend"; down---"to"; up--- "develop'. You can often squeeze 30-50 push ups out of people this way wihtout them realizing they are working.

Sometimes (don't tell anyone)... I will see a white belt with excellent push ups...and we will have a push up contest......we do sets of about 5 or 10....and I will have parents judge and other students judge....we will do about 3 sets (so all parents can see everyone in the group)...then we eliminate 25 %. Do it again....and again.....and again. Till we get to the top 2.....We never declare a full winner.....we either run out of time, or have a tie.....something....then we finish as a group with a set of pushups..... I can't do this push up challange too often or they would start to figure it out...but every 4-5 months....>It works well!!!

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by A.R.K.
I prefer for my BB's to be able to do;

250 Hindu push ups

500 Hindu squats

3 minute back bridge

3 sets up handstand push ups

This includes me! However if there is a valid reason one cannot perform to this level I will by no means hold them back.

:asian:


Trust me when Ark says valid he means like a full body cast or somthing!

These exercises are not easy but they do help with your stamina and cardio, lets face it when it comes to a real fight or even a tournament somtimes the winner is decided as the one who can last the longest. So the next time you think your sesai is pushing you to hard remember that those exercises could mean a win atyour next tournament or even save your life someday.

[Shinzu]

we do them as part of our warm ups but they are not used for judging in rank testing.

i dont hate them. actually i kind of like them to a point. i dont like to over do it though.

[roryneil]

Sometimes we do an excercise where we do 1 push up and pause, then 2 and pause, then 3, then 4...until we get to 10, and do the same thing back to 1. It ends up being 100 pushups, but oddly, it seems easier to just do 100 straight. By the time you go to do that last set of 1 pushup, you feel like you are lifting a truck!

[Rich Parsons]

Originally posted by PAUL
No Bullstuff.

What rank would that make me?;)


WHEW! :eek:

I hereby certify you as RANK!

No go take a shower. :rofl:

Is that what you wanted PAUL?
;)

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by Rich Parsons
WHEW! :eek:

I hereby certify you as RANK!

No go take a shower. :rofl:

Is that what you wanted PAUL?
;)

Absolutaly! :p

[Elfan]

Originally posted by progressivetactics
We do pushups often as warm up and as punishment.

Why do you use them as a punishment?

[tshadowchaser]

We do pushups often as warm up and as punishment. All instructors do push ups while the class does them. All black belts assisting on the floor do them as well as the instructor and students. We are a team Grow together, suffer together, acheive together.


I agree with that statement completly.

We do pushups. flat hand, knuckle, 2 finger and thumb. 1 finger and thumb, finger tip, back of hand( wrist as done in aikido), thumb alone (for those that can), extended throught the hands and back up, hand stand( against the wall or unsupported) And a couple others.
They help your muscle development and it is the basic motion of a punch.
I love them, the class dosnt feel the same way some days:rofl:

[c2kenpo]

Originally posted by progressivetactics

I do disguise alot of the push ups as well. I will, instead of counting them out, make the people repeat what I say...and 1 word per motion... so It on the way down we could say "I"; up would be "intend"; down---"to"; up--- "develop'. You can often squeeze 30-50 push ups out of people this way wihtout them realizing they are working.



Love this idea!!!!! Hope you don't mind me borrowing it. Would love to challenge my teen class with pushups and a portion of the student creed.
He he he.......then with white belts to practive the kenpo creed......great idea....
:asian:

David Gunzburg

[progressivetactics]

Love this idea!!!!! Hope you don't mind me borrowing it

No Problem. Enjoy it!!!





Why do you use them as a punishment?

Punishment sounds a bit harsh, but when we have a student acting up a bit, and normal measures are not responding, we give push ups.
We also have rules that the punishment is push ups.... Like students sitting in our spectator chairs....Dropping your weapon...Forgetting your belt...Not bowing when going through Dojang door...etc.

[Cruentus]

Cool aviator!

[YouAgain]

Hey I have a Question about push ups when I do them my left wrist always makes a craking sound and it feels uncomfturble (sp) any one know how to fix it?

[TallAdam85]

Fav types of push up what is your fav type of push up to do?

[TallAdam85]

When I do them at home I do basic or knuckle push ups

[otherground]

I like to do pushups on milk crates because I can dip deeper.

[progressivetactics]

YouAgain Hey I have a Question about push ups when I do them my left wrist always makes a craking sound and it feels uncomfturble (sp) any one know how to fix it?

If it is continously cracking throughout the push up, I would check with a doctor, as a normal push up, you wrist should be pretty stable, and not 'cracking'. If it is in the initial positioning, and completion of a set, then for starters, do some wrist strengthening exercises, like judo/jujitsu wrist warm ups, back of the wrist push ups (start on your knees though), etc. Also, consider trying some Glucosimin if there is pain involved. You can take about 1000mg 2 times a day, every day and never have negative side effects. It is an excellent health enhancer.

My ankle pops when I rotate it. It always has. When I was a teen running track, through today stretching out a class, when I sit on the floor and rotate my ankle, it will pop continously. Never had pains, never got weak, but the sounds never went away. It is possible, you are just a squeky clean person!!




otherground I like to do pushups on milk crates because I can dip deeper.

Excellent. I do those occasionally as well.
We also do feet elevated on chairs with clap push ups, and the legs spread out stretch and body bent over doing push ups! I think I like those the best.

[rachel]

we do pushups for our tests. I believe my last test we did 210. That's not counting the punishment pushups we all do if someone isn't loud enough or fast enough or makes a mistake on a form or combination.

[phlux]

Hey Paul,

How long would it take you to do 1K pushups? and in what breakdowns did you do them?

10 x 100? or something like that?

[Cruentus]

I can't remember how long....maybe 4-6 months? I would have to work my way up to that number again, but I'd imagine it would only take a few weeks.

It started with me trying to break 100. I could only do 40 in one set. I forced myself to do them daily, adding 3 every day. Then once day I went from about 55 to 75. Then I went right to 100 the next day. Once I hit 100, I platued for a while, only able to add 3 a day to my 1st set, except now I was doing them multiple sets, 1 set of 100, 2 of 50. Then I eventually went to every other day, and multiple sets, raising my repetitions gradually.

My eventual break down was 250, 250, 100, 100, 100, 100, 50, 50. The most I ever did at once was 500, but I couldn't bring myself to finish the 1000.

I also practiced 1 handers; able to do 100 at one time, on one hand.

What happends is your body gets acccustomed to a movement, and your able to break plateus because of this. This is how power lifters can lift huge amounts of weight, and things of that nature. Becoming accustomed to the movement is what let's you break plateus, not just strength.

I hit 350 4 reps on the bench the same way, and squat 600 5 reps. In other words, if you want to be able to do alot of pushups, you have to practice doing pushups. If you want to bench or squat large amounts a weight you have to practice that movement, as well as strengthen your muscles.

There are a lot of stronger people then me out there that I can out bench, or out push-up.

Hopefully that helps! :D

[Elfan]

PAUL, two questions for perspective:

1. Do you rest in a position of mechanical advatanve during your long sets?
2. What is the time per rep? (2 seconds positive, 4 negative for example)

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by Elfan
PAUL, two questions for perspective:

1. Do you rest in a position of mechanical advatanve during your long sets?
2. What is the time per rep? (2 seconds positive, 4 negative for example)

#1. I try not to rest during the set, only after. Unless I am really sore or in trouble do I have to pause/rest in pushup position. Usually I don't, though; I just plug through til the end.

#2 Time per rep; fast as hell! I would have an extreme amount of difficulty doing a 2 second positive, 4 second negative for that many reps! When I do that many push ups, I am trying to work my fast release muscles anyways. So I DO NOT SACRIFICE GOOD FORM (this is important) but I do them very fast. I would say 1-2 per second, depending on how tired I am in the set. Each set only takes me a few minutes.

Good questions!
:D

[progressivetactics]

and for all you kids at home want to get big arms...Read what Paul does... It worked for him. He has some pretty big guns...

[Cruentus]

Originally posted by progressivetactics
and for all you kids at home want to get big arms...Read what Paul does... It worked for him. He has some pretty big guns...

:2pistols:

LOL thanks Bill! :rofl: