Should I stay or go?

[paihequan]

As it is that there are some on MT who are less than friendly when one posts and seeing that polls of this type seem popular then I also opt to open it up for all.

Should I stay on MT and continue to do my best to contribute if and when I can as a person or should I go?

[MartialArtist]

It's your choice. If you want to stay, then stay if you want. If you want to go, then we are powerless to stop you.

If you let a few statements get to you, then nobody can't stop you. If the words someone are really hurtful, then maybe there's some truth behind the statements. I personally just throw them out of my mind.

[paihequan]

Thank you for your reply and the wisdom of your post.

As for words, they are just that. Most usually they are motivated by political, personal, commercial or ego-motivated agendas. I care little for any of these.

Have I made mistakes in the past? ... yes, I am human. Have I atoned for same ... yes. Have I moved forward? ..... yes.

[tshadowchaser]

only you can make that decission and baseing it on a poll may not be the correct way to do it. ask yourslef a few questions.
do you want to stay.
can you contribute in a friendly manner
do you enjoy yourslef when you help others
Why did you come here in the first place and has your reason for being here changed
do you care what some of these people say in a negitive manner if so why and how do you conteract what they say by being away rom the forum

[paihequan]

Tshadowchaser:

Thank you for your post and for sharing your views;

To answer the questions you put forward:

1/. Yes
2/. Yes, that's all I have been doing despite the actions of others.
3/. Yes, it is something I strive for as a person.
4/. To develop friendships and further understanding. No
5/. No

:asian:

[Bob Hubbard]

There is a flaw in your poll setup.

The question: Should I stay or go?

with the answers Y or N are hard to decifer.

If I pick YES, am I saying Yes-Stay or Yes-Go?

:asian:

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by paihequan
As it is that there are some on MT who are less than friendly when one posts and seeing that polls of this type seem popular then I also opt to open it up for all.

Should I stay on MT and continue to do my best to contribute if and when I can as a person or should I go?

I say stay! If you leave because of others actions than everyone who enjoys talking with you will suffer, not the ones that are less than friendly. If everyone that was offended by someone on this board left because they felt they had better things to do than argue with some jerk than the jerks would be the only ones here and who would really lose out? NOT THEM US !
:asian:

I beleive you add some positive energy to this board and you should stay.

[don bohrer]

I would have you stay. Post and enjoy! Remember this place can be like dodge city! Sometimes the gun fights are fair and friendly...other times a person can get shot in the back. However we do have the law here... Fetus? Rustaz or something like that. :D

[DAC..florida]

There are certain people on this board who feel that everyone owes them the answer to any question they ask and dont unerstand that sometimes there just may be a good reason why there questions are not answered. Ignore them they act like children and it wouldnt matter if you hung the moon and answered all of there questions, if they dont like you or are maybe enviuose of you they will continue to pick you apart.
Keep your head up there are some here who enjoy what you have added to this board.
:asian:

[MartialArtist]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
There are certain people on this board who feel that everyone owes them the answer to any question they ask and dont unerstand that sometimes there just may be a good reason why there questions are not answered. Ignore them they act like children and it wouldnt matter if you hung the moon and answered all of there questions, if they dont like you or are maybe enviuose of you they will continue to pick you apart.
Keep your head up there are some here who enjoy what you have added to this board.
:asian:
Ummm... Questions on rank, your teacher, or your art should be answered or be prepared to face the criticisms.

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
Ummm... Questions on rank, your teacher, or your art should be answered or be prepared to face the criticisms.

I'm glad you replied you fit the caracter to a tee!

If you have questions or concerns about me or the systems in wich I study, ask away!

As far as my instructor ARK he is his own man and maybe you should aim your questions about him toward him rather than me!
:asian:

[paihequan]

Thanks guys for your expressions of viewpoint.


MartialArtist:

Ummm... Questions on rank, your teacher, or your art should be answered or be prepared to face the criticisms.

My e-mail is tsuruken@austarnet.com.au .... Feel free to write me anytime should you have some questions :asian:

Kaith Rustaz: Thank you for the clarification. To answer,

Yes = I should go!

No = I should stay!

Undecided = Undecided

The poll remains active for two days.

I have noticed that it's 60% in my favour and 40% undecided. Not a great margin in my favour although no one has voted for me to go .............. yet! :)

[Rick Tsubota]

Originally posted by DAC..florida
There are certain people on this board who feel that everyone owes them the answer to any question they ask and dont unerstand that sometimes there just may be a good reason why there questions are not answered. Ignore them they act like children and it wouldnt matter if you hung the moon and answered all of there questions, if they dont like you or are maybe enviuose of you they will continue to pick you apart.
Keep your head up there are some here who enjoy what you have added to this board.
:asian:

I don't think that's so true.
If you answer honestly then it's OK. If people try to cover up something or make up something then people become more suspicious.

I think most people are suspicious of you and your teacher because of the way you answer.

[Rick Tsubota]

Originally posted by paihequan
As it is that there are some on MT who are less than friendly when one posts and seeing that polls of this type seem popular then I also opt to open it up for all.

Should I stay on MT and continue to do my best to contribute if and when I can as a person or should I go?


I can't understand why you write something like this.

Do you want someone to beg you to stay?

I won't.

[kkbb]

These so called "stay or go" polls are getting annoying! Looks like something my 10 yearold daughter and her freinds would do!
:sadsong:

[Shinzu]

although i do not know you quite well i say stay. enjoy your time here. get out of it what you can and discard the rest. there is something we can all learn from each other.

everyone will have their opinion that is what makes this forum what it is.

[A.R.K.]

I think most people are suspicious of you and your teacher because of the way you answer. Especially since he added this little comment on to the end in a reply to DAC about another poster.....

Not very friendly of you Rick. Not very professional of you Rick. Not very on-topic of you Rick. Funny, I knew Rick would soon find some way of getting this in somewhere :rofl:

So Rick, you now speak for MOST people? How did you get this position and how do you KNOW this to be fact? How about an answer based soely on fact and NOT opinon here....

The ONLY reason you may have a problem is from having your ear bent by non-factual information from an ex-poster. I know your dying to ask the question R R R Rick so please do :D

[paihequan]

Rick Tsubota : Thanks for the expression of your opinion which you are, naturally entitled to. However, I care little for same :) Who is my teacher? :confused: If you have something you'd like to ask me then please do so directly. My e-mail is tsuruken@austarnet.com.au or you can send me a private message. :asian:

[A.R.K.]

paihequan,

Hang around, that way you can benefit for Rick explaining how he knows what MOST people think about different topics. Perhaps some ancient technique?

You should also stick around to see the interesting little snide comments he tacks on to the end of posts in reference to the same people Ryu doens't like. Almost like he's never left the board :rofl:

Interesting direction AGAIN for a newbie to take....

[paihequan]

ARK:

Having Rick here is almost like being trapped in a time warp (deja-vu) For a moment there I felt like it was RyuShiKan posting :D

All jokes aside, Rick is I guess, entitled to his point of view as are we all. It would, however serve him better if he was to express same in a more friendly manner. :asian:

[arnisador]

Everyone:
Please, stop all 'fraud-busting' discussions. Continuation of such discussions will almost certainly result in suspensions or bans from MartialTalk.

-Arnisador
-MT Admin-

[A.R.K.]

Arnisador,

I would like some direct answers from Rick concerning his snide remarks. However, this is not the thread for it nor is it the proper forum. My apologies to the thread's author. The Bad Budo forum is probably much better suited and Rick, I direct your attention there. It won't be hard to find, the thread will be addressed to you.

[arnisador]

Perhaps taking it to e-mail/PM would be even better.

-Arnisador
-MT Admin-

[A.R.K.]

That was my first thought as well. But in his first post to me ever he called me a cheat and a liar. I wasn't even talking to him or even knew who he was. Now he drops snide remarks into the tail end of posts about me and the thread isn't even about me. :mad:

I'm satisfied if Bob states he is probably not Robert under a new screen name. But by his own admission he IS Robert's close friend and workout partner. Without EVER talking to me directly he has chosen to flame my repeatedly.

I have opened a new thread in the bad budo section directed to him. If indeed what he says about me is true and he has the proof it should be posted in that section for all to see thereby exposing me. If not then he should be seen as an instigator who has gone after posters whom his buddy and ex-poster didn't like. And remember, I never said word one to him and he still flamed me. That is why I chose the public route in the proper section. If I'm a liar and I cheat people and he has proof then all need to know. If not then they need to know as well.

My apologies for not going this route before responding a couple of times here in others threads. Disrespectful of me and they have my apology.

:asian:

[paihequan]

Arnisador:

My apologies for allowing this thread to slide in the direction it has but I feel that Rick Tsubota has contributed greatly in this area.

As witnessed, I have offered to discuss his concerns/allegations/ assumptions via private message or direct e-mail rather than sully this board but to date no discussion via these methods has been forthcoming. I feel that these methods (Private Message & direct E-Mail) are not "public" and therefore not suitable to Mr. Tsubota's agenda's.

I can understand A.R.K.'s feelings as he was simply entering into this discussion only to be attacked.

Let us hope that the matter is resolved privately so this board may return to it's original intent.

[DAC..florida]

Originally posted by Rick Tsubota
I don't think that's so true.
If you answer honestly then it's OK. If people try to cover up something or make up something then people become more suspicious.

I think most people are suspicious of you and your teacher because of the way you answer.




You have never asked me anything, if you have a question ask away!

If you have a question for my instructor then maybe you should ask him, he is his own man. The last time I checked I was not his keeper nor should your opinions of him be directed toward me, I can tell you that everything he says or claims is true but thats for him to defend not me.

[Rick Tsubota]

Originally posted by Rick Tsubota
I don't think that's so true.
If you answer honestly then it's OK. If people try to cover up something or make up something then people become more suspicious.

I think most people are suspicious of you and your teacher because of the way you answer.


Look in the bad budo section and you can find what I am talking about here.

[Rick Tsubota]

Originally posted by paihequan
All jokes aside, Rick is I guess, entitled to his point of view as are we all. It would, however serve him better if he was to express same in a more friendly manner. :asian:

Paihequan
Thank you for allowing me to say my ideas.
My comment was more general speaking than to one person only.


My idea is if you don't try to hide your answers then people can feel someone is honest and there is no problem but if someone answers in strange way then people think something is wrong.

Do you agree?

[paihequan]

Rick:

Thank you for your reply and expression of your views. I try to be as respectful as I can to all I come into contact with.

Yes I do agree. Honesty is always the best way to go. Perhaps you could however re-think how you ask your questions or express your views. Just a suggestion.

:asian:

[lost_tortoise]

Good luck to you if you stay.
Good luck to you if you go.
I am pretty sure that if you go, redemption will be even further away than if you stay and take the uphill, slow, but honest path to atonement.

My two cents.

geoffrey

[Shuri-te]

Paihequan,

Hang in their guy.

There are those that truly do not understand the concept of "friendly" and maybe, just maybe, the management will rethink the value of the participation of some of these unfriendly posters.

But I will tell you the truth. The management should not really expect those who want to make a contribution to have to put up with some of the downright unfriendly posting that has been what I would say is becomming a defining characteristic of MT.

But hey, it's just my opinion.

[fist of fury]

Go...and don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out

[paihequan]

Lost tortoise & Shurite:

Many thanks for your posts. :asian:

Fist of fury: Careful now, your intelligence is showing! :rolleyes:

[Marginal]

I voted go away just because I'm tired of these polls. ;)

[Rick Tsubota]

Originally posted by Shuri-te
Paihequan,

Hang in their guy.

There are those that truly do not understand the concept of "friendly" and maybe, just maybe, the management will rethink the value of the participation of some of these unfriendly posters.


This is true.
Maybe they can try to understand concept of liar, fake too and rethink the posters that are in that area.

sorry you can't have a perfect world.

[paihequan]

Rick

As stated before, If you have somerhing you want to say to me then please do so via a private message or direct e-mail to tsuruken@austarnet.com.au. I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

However when you make vague posts of the like above well you can't really expect a direct answer.

As stated, I don't disagree with your views or your rights to express same. I do think that you could word things a little better though.

:asian:

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by paihequan
Rick:

Thank you for your reply and expression of your views. I try to be as respectful as I can to all I come into contact with.

Yes I do agree. Honesty is always the best way to go. Perhaps you could however re-think how you ask your questions or express your views. Just a suggestion.

:asian:

I think you may find that English may not be Rick's first choice when it comes to languages. I could be wrong, but if you check the wording of his posts you may see, as I do that sometimes his grammar and syntax is all up the yin yang - to coin a phrase. I think that some people are just a tad touchy thinking that he is an undercover agent for Robert.
It amazes me me how quickly some of you band together to hang it on the main fraud buster now he is gone.....
Makes you wonder doesn't it?

--Dave

[paihequan]

D. Cobb Wrote:

I think you may find that English may not be Rick's first choice when it comes to languages. I could be wrong, but if you check the wording of his posts you may see, as I do that sometimes his grammar and syntax is all up the yin yang - to coin a phrase. I think that some people are just a tad touchy thinking that he is an undercover agent for Robert.
It amazes me me how quickly some of you band together to hang it on the main fraud buster now he is gone.....
Makes you wonder doesn't it?

With the greatest of respect Mr. Cobb, I am not in support of any one view. Did Robert and I have some issues? --- Yes. Did we communicate privately about these issues --- Yes. Did we hopefully resolve same and move on? --- Yes. In fact, I don't disagree with what Robert did in his questioning, just the manner in which he went about it.

Rick sound's like a reasonable chap, maybe he too just needs to word his questions in a different manner.

Please keep in mind that you and I have entered into communication via e-mail to discuss matters and you will find that I have remained respectful and non-confrontational and have not resorted to name-calling or passing judgement on you or others.

If everyone would just attempt to treat each other with a small degree of mutual respect when discussing matters, this board would be so much more friendlier.


:asian:

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by paihequan
With the greatest of respect Mr. Cobb, I am not in support of any one view. Did Robert and I have some issues? --- Yes. Did we communicate privately about these issues --- Yes. Did we hopefully resolve same and move on? --- Yes. In fact, I don't disagree with what Robert did in his questioning, just the manner in which he went about it.

Rick sound's like a reasonable chap, maybe he too just needs to word his questions in a different manner.

Please keep in mind that you and I have entered into communication via e-mail to discuss matters and you will find that I have remained respectful and non-confrontational and have not resorted to name-calling or passing judgement on you or others.

If everyone would just attempt to treat each other with a small degree of mutual respect when discussing matters, this board would be so much more friendlier.


:asian:

You will find, that most times someone attempts to use a language foreign to them in a situation such as this, they will come across as abusive, or abrupt. Some times it is not the wording, so much as the syntax and grammar.

Yes, you and have/ are sorting out our differences, but please understand, Robert is a friend of mine and as such, I will spring to his defense everytime, now that he is no longer here to defend himself.

We all of us talk about respect for each other, but I'm wondering, does the need for respect only apply when we are face to face? So when we leave the room, we know that everyone will be sticking the boots in behind us.

I don't think that's right.

--Dave

[paihequan]

Dave,

With respect, I agree with you.

I would hope that people on this forum are being up-front and honest with their views to the point that same would carry on in private but then such is the nature of human beings.

Let us hope that we can continue with open and honest communication as many issues can be solved in this way

:asian: