Should Kaith leave MartialTalk?

[Bob Hubbard]

It was suggested by Dave Cobb that I should step down as an administrator / moderator.

Now, I have an opinion on this, but according to Mr. Cobb, I'm not allowed to share it.

So, whats everyone elses opinion?

I'm curious.


I'm also really curious as to what I'd do with those 6-10 hours a day back....:D

[Bob Hubbard]

For the record - I voted.

I picked undecided.

This poll runs for about 2 days.


Happy Motoring!

:rofl:

[Zepp]

No, you should stay. Do you really need to hear the reasons why?

[D.Cobb]

It wasn't that you SHOULD step down, it was if the job was too much for you then maybe you should. Anyhoo, I voted No.
I have also replied to that other post.
--Dave

[grimfang]

Members: 1,590
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There are a lot of other boards out there. Not many have acheived this level of success, in such a short amount of time. MT has become the prefered board of some well-respected individuals in their particular fields. In general, the quality of the content within the threads is far superior to many of the other boards available. There are always a few exceptions... thats the nature of any open forum... some threads will not be as exceptional as others.

It takes an incredible amount of dedication and hard work to create something like MT. It did not happen overnight.
The site continues to grow. New members continue to come. The number of members it gains greatly exceeds the number it loses. Not everyone is going to be 100% happy with the board. For some, the content here will simply be "not what they are looking for." It happens. Like any group within a given society, there will always be those who simply do not fit well within the social structure due to philosophical differences. Again, its unavoidable. Its nothing for everyone to panic over.

my honest opinion.... MT is simply going thru a "growing pain.' Its a temporary spasm... it will pass. The site is maturing, delveloping in new directions, and re-defining itself. All successful orginizations go thru this. The people who best know how to get MT thru this phase are the same people who got it here in the first place. Its their child, and they are the ones who willl know how to raise it. They have done a pretty impressive job so far.

[bdparsons]

now get over it and move on to more important things.

Respects,
Bill Parsons

[D_Brady]

I voted No.


Who's going to keep MOB in line, if your gone.:eek:

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by D.Cobb
It wasn't that you SHOULD step down, it was if the job was too much for you then maybe you should. Anyhoo, I voted No.
I have also replied to that other post.
--Dave

Your exact wording was:

"I think maybe you should quit. Admin/ moderator is obviously tooooo hard a job for you."

This doesn't read as: If the job was too much for you, then you should quit.

To me, your remark reads as: Quit, the admin/mod job is too hard for you.

Cthulhu

[Kempojujutsu]

I voted No
Bob:asian:

[Master of Blades]

Nope.

[Bob Hubbard]

Guys,
I apreciate the support.

I also appreciate the reality check, so while Dave's wording may have been a bit harsh, he is entitled to his opinion.

Simply put there are only a few ways I would remove myself from MT:

1- Death - unless whereever I endup had a net connection, I'd def. be offline then. :D

2- Buy Out - Asking price for MT is $50,000 US, Cash. I'm serious. (Some will say thats an inflated number, others majorly undervalued. Either way, its my asking price)

3- I exit the web-hosting business. The costs of running MT as a 'hobby' without the donated space would prevent me from continuing to operate the site.


Dave and a few other folks are right to call me on my missteps. The key lies in correcting those missteps so that we keep improving.

I also set this up more as a lark, than out of spite. I am serious about y'all being honest in your answers, but there was no maliace towards Dave in my asking. (I'd been up working on "IT" for about 14 or so hours, so was a little loopy late last night.)

Peace y'all.
:asian:

[The 14th Style]

Not no, but HELL no. This is your house. Why would you leave??
I think this site is run very well. And I think you have done a fantastic job with it. One example are the great posts going on in the FMA section. There is a lot of great information being exchanged there. And I have found out a lot about the history of the FMA's in those posts. Things I don't think I would have found as easily in other places.
Is everything here perfect? No, but the site is called Martial Talk, not perfect justice for all martial artists and if you come here no one will ever upset or disagree with you .com. And I think the mods do a very good job of keeping things reasonable.
I have followed a lot of the griping and complaining posts here lately. And I see a trend of complaining about the mods as though you guys are completely evil and out to get people, and it amazes me. I understand people being upset, and hey disagree with the mods if you feel they are wrong. But remember they are just people doing this in their spare time and it isn't always going be perfect. But it's just a website . Although I think a very good one.
As for me I know I've only posted some 60 odd times and I'm not any sort of Martial Arts expert, when I feel I can contribute I do and the rest of the time I am willing to listen. That's why I come here.
With respect
Russell D'silva
The 14th Style

By the way I do think the mods are completely evil. :D

[arnisador]

I voted 'Undecided' for lack of a 'Sheesh!' option.

[A.R.K.]

Of course NO.

So far this poll is as revealing as the other one, only in the opposite light.

Bob,

Whether or not the first poll 'should' have been done or not is now a mute point. The percentages that were revealed supported the fact there was a problem. It is now history.

:asian:

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
It was suggested by Dave Cobb that I should step down as an administrator / moderator.

Now, I have an opinion on this, but according to Mr. Cobb, I'm not allowed to share it.

So, whats everyone elses opinion?

I'm curious.


I'm also really curious as to what I'd do with those 6-10 hours a day back....:D

Now wait, this ain't Saddam Husseins place. It's
one thing to get removed from your own country, but off your own board? Preposterous!(In the words of Iron Mike Tyson)

Not happy here? Here's my 2 cents:

* Leave
* Follow
* Get out of the way

You don't go into someones house and dis them.

Now, I'm a nobody here, and I in no way am disrespecting anybody here, but logical human beings just don't do that. I only see "one" boss here, and revolution is out of the question. It ain't gonna happen.

Thank You:asian:

[paihequan]

No. You should stay and remain the voice of reason

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by Cthulhu
Your exact wording was:

"I think maybe you should quit. Admin/ moderator is obviously tooooo hard a job for you."

This doesn't read as: If the job was too much for you, then you should quit.

To me, your remark reads as: Quit, the admin/mod job is too hard for you.

Cthulhu

You are right, and I am sorry. The wording was way off, and did not convey what it was I was trying to say. Besides, as you say, if you go who gets the website?

--Dave

[tshadowchaser]

Kaith or Bob is the force that holds this web site togeather.

He is a voice of reaon that most of you never hear. When we mods have a disscusion he is the voice that puts the parts of the puzzle togeather and he is the one always voteing for a calmer more tolerant way of doing things.

He has chose in the past not to be a dictator and to be toleant of those that really ticked him off.

I don't expect many of you will ever know how much he does to keep this forum going on a even keel and to keep it as friendly as it is. Lets jut say there, i think there would be less members here and more that we kicked out if it not for his calm way of dealing with people.

of course these are my thoughts only

[jfarnsworth]

NO

[Jill666]

Originally posted by D.Cobb
You are right, and I am sorry. The wording was way off, and did not convey what it was I was trying to say. Besides, as you say, if you go who gets the website?

--Dave

"Beep, beep, beep" the sound of frantic backpedaling. :shrug:

[Rich Parsons]

Bob,


Well, I hope you get the information you desire from this thread.

I personally, understand that you are tired of whiney people telling you how to change , when it was you and a others who ahve allowed them to express their opinion.

If it was so dang easy, everyone would have a Wensiote and a DOtcom craze would happen. Wait it did, and MArtial Talk is here after the decline? Hmmmm, is it the owner all by himself? OR maybe the rest of the Admins and Moderators? or is it the Members?

Personally, I think it is all three. It takes the owner wiling to take crap and put up with stuff. Only some people do not want to listen or take crap when the owner needs to vent, just because he is the owner and there by some magical event has no rights to have an opinion. This astounds me.

I voted Undecided, since i agree with Arnisador.

To sell MT for 50,000. WOW The Check written in JPY is in the mail. :D 50,000 JPY . I think you could get money for this, if the economy ever turns back upwards and the S&P starts to climb again.


So, Bob, stay or go or sell, as yuo see it best. Just let us know ;) what you are doing. :cool: :asian:

[A.R.K.]

"Beep, beep, beep" the sound of frantic backpedaling.

If Dave is a big enough man to apologize for something he felt he erred on, he should not be beliddled for it he should be commended. Peace.

:asian:

[MartialArtist]

No, but I'm with D. Cobb on this one. Admins are entitled to their opinion, but should not let it be public view. They can talk about the MA and such, opinions on what type of training is good for them, etc., but an opinion on someone's rank or them being a fraud buster or a fruad should not be public view.

[DAC..florida]

Bob,

ummmm NO!

Are you completly insane or have you just lost your mind, you know there are doctors you can see for that.

:D

Seriously though this board needs you, you seem like you actualy care about this place and thats important. You also have alot of patience dealing with the flames that rise up on this board and always semm to be fare and look at all angles of scituations. You and all of the moderators on this board spend alot of time keeping things up for our enjoyment, I want to say thanks to all of you for all of your hard work and dedication. :asian:

YOU LEAVE MARTIAL TALK, GIVE ME A BREAK!

[TLH3rdDan]

no no no no no lol you should not leave its your board. you do a great job and i am looking forward to the first issue of "it"

[Bob Hubbard]

Just a side note:

"IT" is here. Please see the Admin Announcements forum for the official announcement.

Or,.... go here> http://martialtalk.com/magazine

:asian:

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Kaith Rustaz
Just a side note:

"IT" is here. Please see the Admin Announcements forum for the official announcement.

Or,.... go here> http://martialtalk.com/magazine

:asian:

Well at least Jason Farnsworth wasn't on the cover, that would've really ticked me off!:soapbox:

[arnisador]

Originally posted by Jill666
"Beep, beep, beep" the sound of frantic backpedaling.

It seemed like a direct and to the point retraction and apology: "You are right, and I am sorry." I found that a mature way of handling it--not at all what I'd term backpedalling. What more did you want?

[paihequan]

I agree, Mr. Cobb handled this matter with great diplomacy and dignity.

[rmcrobertson]

'Course not. And anyway, anybody who expects perfection should bring their own.

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by Jill666
"Beep, beep, beep" the sound of frantic backpedaling. :shrug:

Not really. I didn't say that I feel wrong in what I was trying to convey, but wrong in how my original post was worded.

If you knew me a little better, you'd know that it is extremely rare for me to backpedal, however, admitting when I'm wrong is a whole other subject.:D

--Dave

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by rmcrobertson
'Course not. And anyway, anybody who expects perfection should bring their own.

Hmmm, dammit, got to agree with this one:D

--Dave

[Brother John]

No offense sir but...
Don't let other's call your shots for you.

You're better than that.

stand your ground
be yourself
do what you must
let all other's beat their heads against your decisions!

Your Brother (who wants you to go or stay depending on what YOU want)
John

[Mon Mon]

I put no because if Kaith Left us who would there be to stop MOB when he gets out of line :)

[Goldendragon7]

I have had interaction with both of these fine martial artists as well as all that have commented on this string.

I think that Kaith has done an admirable job considering the huge task at hand.

Dave has also been a strong contributor to the success of this forum and his opinion is as valid as anyones .... right or wrong.

I commend all who have voiced their opinions and commented in a very mature and constructive manner.

I think the outcome is self evident as well as the awareness of the original statement by Dave to Bob.

Thanks for giving all a superb example of a very mature debate on what could have resulted in a very messy discussion.

The Goldendragon
:asian:

[andurilking2]

is there anyway to get rid of him? he fills the site with crap, and it is becoming very clustered.

[andurilking2]

im still with you kaith you have been a big help to me.

[RCastillo]

Originally posted by Goldendragon7
I have had interaction with both of these fine martial artists as well as all that have commented on this string.

I think that Kaith has done an admirable job considering the huge task at hand.

Dave has also been a strong contributor to the success of this forum and his opinion is as valid as anyones .... right or wrong.

I commend all who have voiced their opinions and commented in a very mature and constructive manner.

I think the outcome is self evident as well as the awareness of the original statement by Dave to Bob.

Thanks for giving all a superb example of a very mature debate on what could have resulted in a very messy discussion.

The Goldendragon
:asian:

Aren't we safe from you anywhere? You're in Australia?:confused:

[Seig]

Originally posted by andurilking2
is there anyway to get rid of him? he fills the site with crap, and it is becoming very clustered.
Was that really necessary or called for? What happened to polite and respectfull? Knock it off.

[Jill666]

Well I think you said what you said, and you meant it in that way. The comment seemed pretty sarcastic. But if your apology works for everyone else, and since this is between you and Bob, that it most important.

I'm just sick of people saying, no I didn't say it that way, or I said that, but I meant this.

Peace out.

[Michael Billings]

Not to be confused with a Ditto-head!

It is not an reasonable suggestion for the owner of a site to not act as a participant, in whatever role they choose ... unless you want that site to go away.

I assume Mr. Cobb is entirely sincere in his statements as he has always been a reasonable and positive contributer. Good job in resolving something that could have gone the other way.

Kaith, get over it ... you are here to stay! $50,000? Preposterous, hold out for $175,000, after all, beaches & retirement cost money.

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by Jill666
Well I think you said what you said, and you meant it in that way. The comment seemed pretty sarcastic. But if your apology works for everyone else, and since this is between you and Bob, that it most important.

I'm just sick of people saying, no I didn't say it that way, or I said that, but I meant this.

Peace out.

Hey Jill, you're entitled to your opinion:) (where have I heard that line before?)
And uptil now I would have agreed with you. But seeing as I have written 1 thing and meant another, I will make this solmn promise, that I will never again hold it against someone if they make that claim.
I was always the one saying, "Yeah , Right!" out the corner of my mouth, but now I know from experience it could be true.

All I can say is I wish I had reread the post before I hit the submit button.

The good thing is there is no bad blood here between Mr. Hubbard and myself, and hopefully none between you and me or me and anyone else.

--Dave

[D.Cobb]

Originally posted by Michael Billings
I assume Mr. Cobb is entirely sincere in his statements as he has always been a reasonable and positive contributer. Good job in resolving something that could have gone the other way.


Originally posted by Goldendragon7
Dave has also been a strong contributor to the success of this forum and his opinion is as valid as anyones .... right or wrong.

Originally posted by A.R.K.
If Dave is a big enough man to apologize for something he felt he erred on, he should not be beliddled for it he should be commended. Peace..

Originally posted by paihequanI agree, Mr. Cobb handled this matter with great diplomacy and dignity

Originally posted by arnisadorIt seemed like a direct and to the point retraction and apology: "You are right, and I am sorry."................ I found that a mature way of handling it.

Thank you gentlemen for your support, it's really quite heartwarming. :D


Originally posted by andurilking2
d.cobb
is there anyway to get rid of him? he fills the site with crap, and it is becoming very clustered.

Yes there is....
Firstly you must come up with between $50,000 & $175,000 and buy the site from Bob Hubbard.
Then when you assume ownership you can kick me out.
Or maybe you could use the money to bribe the Admin guys, and get them to kick me out.:shrug:

But hey if you respond and tell me that that wasn't what you meant, dude, I am going to believe you, cause it happened to me.:D

--Dave


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